Calling All Freepers!-- Making an Appeasenik Crimes List. Please Help!

Me | 18 Feb 03 | Me

[ALOHA RONNIE]

That's.. http://www.JudicialWatch.org ..

[zip]

They are our friends here at FR, unlike your home at DUmmies central.

Thank you, you beat me to a response. These DU'ers think they "are sooo kuel".

[ALOHA RONNIE]

...4-More on The Enemy Within...

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http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=8

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I'll sure do my best, Feather. My Squadron's Website is AT THIS LINK and it'll probably show up there sooner or later.

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"You know a squid should never be that "mushy!!"

I never saw a thing, Shipmate. Thanks.

[Soaring Feather]

Can't use the link LC, locked. :-(

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"I don't know of a list of Hollywierdos who support our troops, but there may be one already created by a FReeper."

Sadly, it'd be a short one. Certainly including Mr. Gibson, but also James Woods and Sean Astin (Lord of The Rings' Samwise Gamgee), who is also an aide to the Secretary of the Army. I believe that Ah-Nold can also be included, as can Bruce Willis, Tom Selleck, and of course Charleton Heston.

On the music side, Charlie Daniels has always been a staunch patriot, and so has Toby Keith and Aaron Tippin (Country stars think differently than their pop music brethren). surprisingly, Joan Jett & the Blackhearts ("I Love Rock n' Roll) are also a supporter, and have done several USO tours to entertain the troops in Afghanistan. I'm certain that there are more, but no one's interviewing them.

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"'Cowardniks' -- I like that better than peaceniks or appeaseniks"

I prefer the term, "SKINWASTERS", as that's all they really do.

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"This is its "logical argument" persona."

It was? When did this happen?

[Jen]

DOH! Toby!!! How could I not remember Toby Keith (*swoon*)?

[petuniasevan]

Barbary Pirates, 200 years ago.

They terrorized Mediterranean shipping, holding crews and ships for ransom. The French (gee what a surprise) formed a mission, the Roman Catholic Religious Order of Mathurins, to pay off and appease the pirates. Did this slow or stop the terror? NO! Of course not! It just bankrolled more "expeditions" for the pirates.

Thomas Jefferson, then Minister to France, got angry.

Paying the ransom would only lead to further demands, Jefferson argued in letters to future presidents John Adams, then America's minister to Great Britain, and James Monroe, then a member of Congress. As Jefferson wrote to Adams in a July 11, 1786, letter, "I acknolege [sic] I very early thought it would be best to effect a peace thro' the medium of war." Paying tribute will merely invite more demands, and even if a coalition proves workable, the only solution is a strong navy that can reach the pirates, Jefferson argued in an August 18, 1786, letter to James Monroe: "The states must see the rod; perhaps it must be felt by some one of them. . . . Every national citizen must wish to see an effective instrument of coercion, and should fear to see it on any other element than the water. A naval force can never endanger our liberties, nor occasion bloodshed; a land force would do both." "From what I learn from the temper of my countrymen and their tenaciousness of their money," Jefferson added in a December 26, 1786, letter to the president of Yale College, Ezra Stiles, "it will be more easy to raise ships and men to fight these pirates into reason, than money to bribe them."

But...

Jefferson's plan for an international coalition foundered on the shoals of indifference and a belief that it was cheaper to pay the tribute than fight a war.

(Yes, the French refused to help)


When Jefferson became President in 1801, he refused to accede to Tripoli's demands for an immediate payment of $225,000 and an annual payment of $25,000. The pasha of Tripoli then declared war on the United States. Although as secretary of state and vice president he had opposed developing an American navy capable of anything more than coastal defense, President Jefferson dispatched a squadron of naval vessels to the Mediterranean. As he declared in his first annual message to Congress: "To this state of general peace with which we have been blessed, one only exception exists. Tripoli, the least considerable of the Barbary States, had come forward with demands unfounded either in right or in compact, and had permitted itself to denounce war, on our failure to comply before a given day. The style of the demand admitted but one answer. I sent a small squadron of frigates into the Mediterranean. . . ."


The American show of force quickly awed Tunis and Algiers into breaking their
alliance with Tripoli. The humiliating loss of the frigate Philadelphia
and the capture of her captain and crew in Tripoli in 1803, criticism from his
political opponents, and even opposition within his own cabinet did not deter
Jefferson from his chosen course during four years of war. The aggressive action
of Commodore Edward Preble (1803-4) forced Morocco out of the fight and his five
bombardments of Tripoli restored some order to the Mediterranean. However, it
was not until 1805, when an American fleet under Commodore John Rogers and a
land force raised by an American naval agent to the Barbary powers, Captain
William Eaton, threatened to capture Tripoli and install the brother of
Tripoli's pasha on the throne, that a treaty brought an end to the hostilities.

Of course, things didn't always go perfectly. Though we had broken the back of the Barbary alliance, Congress insisted on paying ransom for another few years. But we did stop LONG before the Europeans, who cravenly kissed the pirates' boots right into the 1830s.

[Nitro]

Bravo Zulu!!

[petuniasevan]

Oh, I didn't say it was LOGICAL. I said that it was its "logical argument" persona. That depends on the persona's perception of reality. lostatBUNDcamp is in the Brain of Mirrors.

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Hmm. It works for me. ????

[Uncle Miltie]

Supposing you haven't been banned yet, I'll respond:

"what was your position on the serbia bombing?"

I believe that the Balkan problem was strategically important for Europeans, not Americans, and that Europe should have handled that one. No NATO member was at risk. The Euroweenies should have handled it, not us.

"or the destruction of a pharmaceutical plant in sudan?"

Clinton picked irrelevant and too few targets for bombing. Given the number and size of provocations on his watch, I'd have advocated invasion of the Sudan and invasion of Afghanistan, not "a million dollar missle fired at an empty tent."

Regardless, my positions are held without regard to the WWP. I have no association with them. ANSWER on the other hand is co-located with, and staffed by the WWP. So correlation in one instance is different than operational control in the other.

Communists lead the anti-war movement. Go read Michael Kelly.

[petuniasevan]

The link worked for me.

It did mention an iffy certificate. I clicked yes and went right in.

You will need to change your settings from "refuse" to "prompt". That way you can choose to check the certificate's authenticity before proceeding.

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Oh, and how could I forget, ANOTHER Englishman (whom I think is really outr own MadIvan) who is on our side...John Rhys-Davies ("Salah" in Raiders Of The Lost Ark, "Gimli the Dwarf" in Lord Of The Rings)

[Soaring Feather]

The first time I clicked the link the certificate came up.


I changed my settings, however the link does not activate now at all. :-(

[fatima]

AntiJen,TV has shown the cowards,I would like to know the actors who support our troops,can anyone name an actor who has stood up in support of them,to be honest this is selfish,have run out of Mel Gibson movies-only kidding.I do a little non -profit radio program and had a few things to say about cowardniks but who there is standing for our troops or do we all have to make home movies.

[Sparta]

onetimeatbandcamp signed up 2002-08-16.

Actually, comrade bandcamp has been here awhile. Longer than me.