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The Undeniable Truth: Hitler was a Leftist
Hitler was a Leftist ^ | 2-23-03 | Republican_Strategist

Posted on 02/22/2003 2:51:46 AM PST by Republican_Strategist

Hitler was a Leftist


One of the single biggest myths perpetrated by the Left today is that Hitler and the Nazis were right-wingers and some how like conservatives. Don’t be fooled by this communist propaganda.

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Hitler was a Socialist

Hitler’s Anti-Tobacco Campaign

Hitler’s Animal Rights Campaign

Hitler’s Persecution of Christian Churches

Nazi Gun Control

Hitler Pro-Abortion

Hitler’s Leftist Economic Policies

Homosexuality in the Nazi Party

Hitler’s Euthanasia Initiative

Fascism is Leftist

Kangas Myths

And so forth.

And guess what? This isn’t the end of it. This site is still under construction. Topics like Nazi Eugenics still need covering and their links with Planned Parenthood need to be sleuthed.

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Hitler was a Leftist!!! Spread the word! Tell your friends! Send email! Call Rush! Fax Coulter! Give Hannity the scoop!


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1 posted on 02/22/2003 2:51:46 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: *Christian_list
Christian List
2 posted on 02/22/2003 2:56:24 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: Republican_Strategist
I thought the title gave it away "the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany" = NAZI - least we remember!
3 posted on 02/22/2003 3:05:48 AM PST by Free_at_last_-2001 (is clinton in jail yet?)
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To: Republican_Strategist
BTTT
4 posted on 02/22/2003 3:19:16 AM PST by Dajjal
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To: Republican_Strategist
Here is the corrected link - Hitler was a Leftist
5 posted on 02/22/2003 3:37:15 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: Republican_Strategist
Good luck with your endeavor. One of the great lies told by the democraps and their communist brethern in this country is that the Nazi's were right wingers. I can remember people going on the defensive when that charge was leveled. I think we're better prepared now to turn that approach right back where it belongs--on the democraps and their communist brethern. As someone else stated--it is National SOCIALIST party. In Hitler speak that's NSDAP-National SOCIALIST german WORKERS party.
6 posted on 02/22/2003 3:41:23 AM PST by RushLake (May the one true God continue to bless America and all of us.)
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To: Republican_Strategist
Nothing new about this info! Only lestists claim Hitler was a right-winger.

Fascism is, also, the brand of ideology favored by democrats.HRC is a fascist! And that is definitely left-wing!

7 posted on 02/22/2003 3:52:54 AM PST by Chapita
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To: RushLake
In Hitler's Shadow: The Myth of Nazism's Conservative Roots
8 posted on 02/22/2003 3:57:38 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: Republican_Strategist
Hitler was a socialist who became a totalitarian dictator.

He didn't care for Jews so he tried to kill them all. He didn't like Poles, French, Russians or Brits either.

Soon, he despised Americans. Reminds me of one of my uncles. HA!

9 posted on 02/22/2003 4:00:37 AM PST by johnny7 (Eva! Where's my pistol? Take these breath mints.)
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To: Republican_Strategist; Remedy
Certainly, he campaigned on many of the themes of the modern Left, including antisemitism. So, Hitler's own followers and the voters in general thought they were voting for socialism of some sort.

Naturally, Hitler had to dispose of his SA military because they expected him to fulfill his Leftist political platform. But he cut deals with the army and big business and liquidated the annoying and demanding SA. This was the point where he turned despotic.

I'd say that Hitler campaigned as a candidate of the Left to gain power but, once in office, saw the advantages of eliminating the socialist premise which helped bring him to power and instead implemented a totalitarian nationlist state with strong racial ideology. A true socialist regime would have been a totalitarian socialist regime like the old USSR and Hitler never desired to establish such a state.
10 posted on 02/22/2003 4:57:30 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Chapita
Fascism and marxism are both authoritarian on the left. Fascism was better described by Mousolini as the partnership between corporations and government, or corporatism.
11 posted on 02/22/2003 4:58:02 AM PST by steve50
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To: Republican_Strategist
I am glad this is being mentioned.

Hitler was definitely more leftist than rightist.

The only thing that Hitler identified with conservativism (at least in the American form) was his opposition to abortion. But, his opposition to abortion was not for moral reasons...but for other reasons.

I would like to add some more in regard to Hitler and the Left. I may be able to contribute some interesting items. My B.A. is in History and I spent a semester on Hitler and Nazi Germany
12 posted on 02/22/2003 5:26:34 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (I Wonder What Susan Sarandon Looks Like In A Burqa?)
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To: George W. Bush; Republican_Strategist

>>Certainly, he campaigned on many of the themes of the modern Left, including antisemitism.

I'd say that Hitler campaigned as a candidate of the Left to gain power but, once in office, saw the advantages of eliminating the socialist premise which helped bring him to power and instead implemented a totalitarian nationlist state with strong racial ideology. A true socialist regime would have been a totalitarian socialist regime like the old USSR and Hitler never desired to establish such a state.<<

Balint Vazsonyi, who died recently, had similar comments:

Gleichschaltung

For a long time, notwithstanding the Hitler-Stalin pact of 1939, I accepted the conventional wisdom that Communism and Nazism were opposites — one on the extreme left, the other on the extreme right.

Perhaps enough time has passed to permit examination in realistic terms of these approaches to social organization, concentrating on essential characteristics and demonstrated aspirations as opposed to clichés. Decades of observation, as well as ceaseless consideration given to the core issues, compel me to look upon these seemingly opposite systems as mirror images, aspiring to a similar outcome, applying identical methods, achieving comparable subjugation of people under their control, spreading the same hopelessness in their paths. While such conclusions have certainly been reached by others, it may be less obvious that Fascism (Nazism) and Communism (Bolshevism) all share their philosophical foundations as well.

Gleichschaltung operated at once on structural and cultural levels. Structurally, the first victim was federalism: within days of Hitler's accession, the states had to cede authority to the central government. Next, the leadership and membership of every kind of organization had to become politically and racially correct. With the task of implementing structural changes assigned to a variety of agencies, as early as March 1933, a separate Cabinet Department was created for Josef Goebbels to oversee every aspect of the cultural scene, making certain that it was politically correct. Specific terms aside, the reality of all these regimes is the great flattening which is in full progress from day one. Since it is not possible to raise anyone's natural level by fiat, the alternative is to force everyone down.

It is astonishing and frightening how little time it took both in Russia and in Germany to accomplish this task. Indeed, it should be noted that demolishing what centuries had built does not require even a single generation.

The next ingredient had to do with groups. While it may appear contradictory to identify groups in a society having just experienced Gleichschaltung, contradictions do not represent obstacles in a totalitarian structure. The identity of groups was as necessary as the levelling had been in order to maintain positive and negative imaging. This constant dichotomy of egalitarianism and group hatred provided a manipulative tool as simple as it was ingenious. Hitler used race and nationality, Lenin and Stalin mostly class — the outcome was the same.

13 posted on 02/22/2003 5:31:55 AM PST by Remedy
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To: Republican_Strategist
Hitler was a communist before founding the socialist workers party. He spent a few months as a member of the German Communist party after he was discharged from the German Army after WWI.

Somewhere out there are pictures of Hitler with a red armband at a German Communist party meeting in the streets of a German City in the reconstruction era right after WWI. I have seen them.

Somewhere there was a split with the Communist party an Hitler, and the National Socialist Workers Party ( NSWP) was formed.


14 posted on 02/22/2003 5:40:11 AM PST by judicial meanz ( socialism- its a mental disorder, not a political view.)
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To: judicial meanz
Hitler to Rauschning

"The party is all-embracing. It rules our lives in all their breadth and depth. We must therefore develop branches of the party in which the whole of individual life will be reflected. Each activity and each need of the individual will thereby be regulated by the party as the representative of the general good. There will be no license, no free space, in which the individual belongs to himself. This is Socialism--not such trifles as the private possession of the means of production."

"Of what importance is that if I range men firmly within a discipline they cannot escape? Let them then own land or factories as much as they please. The decisive factor is that the State, through the party, is supreme over them, regardless whether they are owners or workers. All that, you see, is unessential. Our Socialism goes far deeper...."

"Private property" as conceived under the liberalistic economic order was a reversal of the true concept of property. This "private property" represented the right of the individual to manage and to speculate with inherited or acquired property as he pleased, without regard for the nation."

"I have learned a great deal from Marxism, as I do not hesitate to admit. The difference between them and myself is that I have really put into practice what these peddlers and pen-pushers have timidly begun.... I had only to develop logically what Social Democracy repeatedly failed in because of its attempt to realize its evolution within the framework of democracy. National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with a democratic order."


Hope that helps in proving Hitler was a socialist..LOL
15 posted on 02/22/2003 5:50:21 AM PST by judicial meanz ( socialism- its a mental disorder, not a political view.)
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To: Republican_Strategist
"Hitler & DEMOCRATS used race and nationality, Lenin and Stalin and DEMOCRATS mostly class — the outcome was the same."
16 posted on 02/22/2003 5:56:58 AM PST by Remedy
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To: Republican_Strategist

17 posted on 02/22/2003 6:07:18 AM PST by Remedy
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To: Republican_Strategist
Hitler was an anticapitalist, and today's left wrongly and maliciously categorize both Republican conservatives and Nazi's as "right-wing".

However, Hitler's MOST important qualities are his love of wars of aggression and the mass murder of innocents. It is hardly appropriate to associate American Democrat liberals with these practices.

18 posted on 02/22/2003 6:07:36 AM PST by beavus
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To: beavus

>>>However, Hitler's MOST important qualities are ….and the mass murder of innocents. It is hardly appropriate to associate American Democrat liberals with these practices.<<<

Between Two Holocausts The two questions every person in that class asked at the end of the term are the same two questions that all distraught Jews have been asking since the end of World War II: 1) How can a civilized, intellectual and educated society of people, made up of individuals presumably with consciences and souls just like everyone else, choose to systematically target and eliminate another group of individuals in cold blood, without mercy or a second thought? 2)…

The Third Reich leaders were experts in distortion, and indoctrination techniques. To dehumanize Jews, Nazi leaders had to suppress facts and propagandize with a barrage of lies about the Jewish people.

There is no argument that the Nazis used a variety of methods to thwart resistance to their goal, the annihilation of every Jew in Europe. However, even with our democratic government, we do not really have freedom to choose freely. System-regulated propaganda is so pervasive that individuals who initially support certain causes can eventually fall victim to the lies built within, with devastating consequences (Norma McCorvey is one example; she was deceived by the feminist pro-abortion propaganda machine. Let's not forget the many women who, seduced by "choice," opt for abortion and suffer from post abortion syndrome later on).

The dehumanization of unborn children did not occur in a vacuum.

Homicide Based on the Killing of an Unborn Child -- In this essay, Alan Wasserstrom surveys the history of laws which prosecute feticide--the destruction of a human fetus--as homicide.

State Homicide Laws That Recognize Unborn Victims

19 posted on 02/22/2003 6:13:23 AM PST by Remedy
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To: judicial meanz
Hitler to Rauschning.... Bookmarking that one for part of a future letter to the editor. Can you give me the source?
20 posted on 02/22/2003 6:24:47 AM PST by JimRed
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To: Republican_Strategist

I don't claim that Darwin and his theory of evolution brought on the holocaust;but I cannot deny that the theory of evolution, and the atheism it engendered, led to the moral climate that made a holocaust possible"
Jewish scholar Edward Simon (1)

Darwin at Nuremberg I

Darwin at Nuremberg II

Darwin at Nuremberg III

21 posted on 02/22/2003 6:26:10 AM PST by Remedy
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To: Republican_Strategist
Oh the ignorance of youth.
22 posted on 02/22/2003 6:33:29 AM PST by The Shootist
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To: Republican_Strategist
This assertion happens to be wrong. The Nazi party was founded as a lefist party but Hitler captured it. For a decade he was opposed by the leftist populist wing of the party lead by the Strasser brothers and Goebbels. Eventually, he won over Goebbels, killed one Strasser in the Night of the Long Knives and drove the other into exile. The only thing socialist about the Nazi Party was the name. It was a classic fascist party.
23 posted on 02/22/2003 6:35:18 AM PST by Man of the Right
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To: JimRed
This is based on comments from a Hitler memoir of Hermann Rauschning, the National Socialist Senate president of Danzig from 1933 to 1934. He was later ousted and became a radical anti-nazi.

It is often cited in historical biographies of Hitler, adn is pretty much common knowledge in the historical field.

You may want to be ready for the "revisionist historians" when you cite it. Although it has been used for decades in historical research and Hitler biographies, lately it has come under fire as a "forgery" by the left. One (1) source claims it is a fraud. Thousands of others have used it for historical research. I'll let you be the judge.

In my opinion, the man who wrote is was an early Nazi party pioneer, who had close ties to Hitler, and would have had the knowledge he claims he had. So I use it.

I read the work in Grad School, and no one there had much doubt about its validity.
24 posted on 02/22/2003 6:37:07 AM PST by judicial meanz ( socialism- its a mental disorder, not a political view.)
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To: The Shootist

>>>Oh the ignorance of youth.<<<

Youth flocked to the Nazis and Communist causes and some observed the incredible "susceptibility of university-trained people in Germany to totalitarian appeals." Twenty five percent of the Nazis SS were Ph.Ds. Richard Vetterli and William E. Fort, Jr., The Socialist Revolution (Los Angeles: Clute International Corp., 1968), p. 88.

25 posted on 02/22/2003 6:37:48 AM PST by Remedy
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To: Man of the Right
The Nazi party was founded as a lefist party but Hitler captured it.

He captured by being an outstanding orator. They were going nowhere until he came on the scene. With him, they could recruit. Most importantly for their success, they used the socialist rhetoric of the Left to recruit the SA, their street fighters, without whom they could never have come to power. At the very least, one can say that without the socialist appeal and its street army, the SA, Hitler would never have risen to chancellor. At that point, he didn't need the SA any more and cut a better deal with the army (who didn't want a rival paramilitary force) and business (who never likes anything about socialism).

Until Hitler became chancellor, the Nazis were socialist. Hitler was just unprincipled about it and wanted a totalitarianism to unite German peoples and provide an expanded German empire in the East. Hence, the emphasis on race and culture under the Nazis.
26 posted on 02/22/2003 6:49:26 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Remedy
Darwinism has not had a net good effect on human civilization, IMHO.

The German Workers' Party , the forerunner of the Nazi Party, espoused a right-wing ideology, like many similar groups of demobilized soldiers. Adolf Hitler joined this small political party in 1919 and rose to leadership through his emotional and captivating speeches. He encouraged national pride, militarism, and a commitment to the Volk and a racially "pure" Germany. Hitler condemned the Jews, exploiting antisemitic feelings that had prevailed in Europe for centuries. He changed the name of the party to the National Socialist German Workers' Party, called for short, the Nazi Party (or NSDAP). By the end of 1920, the Nazi Party had about 3,000 members. A year later Hitler became its official leader, or Führer.

While in prison, Hitler wrote volume one of Mein Kampf (My Struggle) , which was published in 1925. This work detailed Hitler's radical ideas of German nationalism, antisemitism, and anti-Bolshevism. Linked with Social Darwinism, the human struggle that said that might makes right, Hitler's book became the ideological base for the Nazi Party's racist beliefs and murderous practices. (only for discussion purposes and fair use)

The human struggle that said that might makes right. Sounds like clintonism to me...

27 posted on 02/22/2003 6:59:40 AM PST by ez (WHERE'S THE POLLING DATA ON THE ESTRADA FILIBUSTER???)
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I Know.

Let's just say Hitler was a pederastic, queer-loving, transexual, leftist, communist,environmentalist, wife (ok he never had one)-beating, masochistic, sadistic, corrupt, alcoholic, limp-wristed, dictatorial, megalomaniacal, brain damaged, racist- necrophiliac.

Oops.

Almost forgot!

LEFTIST

28 posted on 02/22/2003 7:00:34 AM PST by Jakarta ex-pat
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To: George W. Bush

>>>Until Hitler became chancellor, the Nazis were socialist.<<<

"Those Damn Nazis":

Background: This is a widely distributed Nazi pamphlet from before 1933. The title, loosely translated, is "Those Damned Nazis." At least several hundred thousand copies were printed. It is a good summary of the basic lines of Nazi propaganda just before Hitler's takeover in 1933. The booklet included five cartoons by Mjölnir, Goebbels' cartoonist, three of which I include here. Mjölnir also produced some of the most familiar Nazi posters.

The Source: Joseph Goebbels and Mjölnir, Die verfluchten Hakenkreuzler. Etwas zum Nachdenken (Munich: Verlag Frz. Eher, 1932).

Why Are We Socialists?

We are socialists because we see in socialism, that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.

Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and the regaining of German freedom. Socialism therefore is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total combat brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism. Without nationalism it is nothing, a phantom, a mere theory, a castle in the sky, a book. With it it is everything, the future, freedom, the Fatherland!

The sin of liberal thinking was to overlook socialism's nation-building strengths, thereby allowing its energies to go in anti-national directions. The sin of Marxism was to degrade socialism into a question of wages and the stomach, putting it in conflict with the state and its national existence. An understanding of both these facts leads us to a new sense of socialism, which sees its nature as nationalistic, state-building, liberating and constructive.

The bourgeois is about to leave the historical stage. In its place will come the class of productive workers, the working class, that has been up until today oppressed. It is beginning to fulfill its political mission. It is involved in a hard and bitter struggle for political power as it seeks to become part of the national organism. The battle began in the economic realm; it will finish in the political. It is not merely a matter of pay, not only a matter of the number of hours worked in a day-though we may never forget that these are an essential, perhaps even the most significant part of the socialist platform-but it is much more a matter of incorporating a powerful and responsible class in the state, perhaps even to make it the dominant force in the future politics of the Fatherland. The bourgeois does not want to recognize the strength of the working class. Marxism has forced it into a straitjacket that will ruin it. While the working class gradually disintegrates in the Marxist front, bleeding itself dry, the bourgeois and Marxism have agreed on the general lines of capitalism, and see their task now to protect and defend it in various ways, often concealed.

We are socialists because we see the social question as a matter of necessity and justice for the very existence of a state for our people, not a question of cheap pity or insulting sentimentality. The worker has a claim to a living standard that corresponds to what he produces. We have no intention of begging for that right. Incorporating him in the state organism is not only a critical matter for him, but for the whole nation. The question is larger than the eight-hour day. It is a matter of forming a new state consciousness that includes every productive citizen. Since the political powers of the day are neither willing nor able to create such a situation, socialism must be fought for. It is a fighting slogan both inwardly and outwardly. It is aimed domestically at the bourgeois parties and Marxism at the same time, because both are sworn enemies of the coming workers' state. It is directed abroad at all powers that threaten our national existence and thereby the possibility of the coming socialist national state.

29 posted on 02/22/2003 7:15:02 AM PST by Remedy
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To: Republican_Strategist
Hitler was a Leftist

Maybe it was the company he kept.


30 posted on 02/22/2003 7:36:57 AM PST by geedee
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To: geedee
George Stephanopoulos resemblance?
31 posted on 02/22/2003 7:44:10 AM PST by Remedy
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To: Remedy
You equate the killing of an adult with the killing of a fetus? You equate the evoked terror, termination of a character, a personality, a creature with awareness of its mortality and the suffering and end it is to endure with the killing of a tabula rasa, unaware of its own suffering or even existence? You value a creature who's innocence is a result lack of will, lack of ability to know, choose, or act, over an an adult who is somehow considered less valuable because its fallible experience and understanding has led it, invariably, to make some bad decisions and thus drop into the less valuable, defiled category of the sub-innocent?

You set up a value system whereby any human fetus is of greater value than than all adults because of relative innocence. Such a system would lead to situations where a mother would be sacrificed for the benefit of the more innocent fetus. It would mean the tragedy and terror of a vast worldwide deadly plague--worse than any the world has known--is less than the tragedy of the widespread spontaneous abortions that women who wish to get pregnant have always experienced--often without even knowing. It would mandate enormous resources to stopping the "scourge" of the spontaneous abortion.

Elective abortion is appalling. Perhaps it should be illegal. But it is sick to compare it to the Nazi holocaust.
32 posted on 02/22/2003 8:22:03 AM PST by beavus
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To: Man of the Right
The only thing socialist about the Nazi Party was the name. It was a classic fascist party.

Which still makes it a form of socialism. Under fascism the government only controls, but does not own, the means of production. In that way, modern American Democrats, and lots of RINOs too, are more like fascistii than comunists. Both fascism and communisim are statist, whereby the needs of the state are supreme.

33 posted on 02/22/2003 11:47:44 AM PST by El Gato
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To: Remedy
Great post.

It should also be noted that the ideology of National Socialism was virulently anti-Christian. Hitler adhered to Neitzsche's analysis of Christianity and added his anti-semitic twist (Christianity was a Jewish conspiracy to make the German people 'weak').

Hitler used some "useful idiots" in liberal churches to promote his political goals but once Christian voices were raised against the treatment of the elderly and the mentally retarded these critics were sent to concentration camps.

For Hitler the State, as en expression of the 'volk', was to become the object of worship.
34 posted on 02/22/2003 12:10:06 PM PST by ggekko
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To: Republican_Strategist

Famous Socialists of the 20th Century

35 posted on 02/22/2003 12:11:55 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY (((Socialist Idealism=Death)))
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To: beavus; cpforlife.org
You have so many GROSS CONCEPTUAL ERRORS, it would take…. :

Nazi abortion correlation the similarities of Nazi activities and ...

Then: The castle pictured above, was one of the places where the NAZI T-4 program was carried out. T-4 was a forced euthenasia program that targeted the mentally handicapped and the physically disabled and deformed. The gas chambers here became the model for the death camps.The euthenasia program was part of the larger NAZI eugenics program which evolved into 'The Final Solution' campaign we now call the NAZI Holocaust.

Now: The preborn child is often targeted for death if tests show that it may have a physical or mental handicap. This little one was killed by a suction abortion. The American eugenics program has no central sponsor but several big guns, including Planned Parenthood, NARAL (National Abortion Rights Action League and the National Abortion Federation.

Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a NAZI symphathiser and an ardent proponent of Eugenics. She was also known for her strong anti-black sentiments and geared her eugenicists efforts towards ahnialating the black race in America. The combined forces of these individuals and groups make up the 'Pro-Choice' campaign, a thinly veiled 'Final Solution' for the unwanted unborn child.

Then:To achieve the 'Final solution of the Jewish question in Europe', the NAZIs long before had put into motion a process to 'de-humanize'
the Jewish people. It was argued that the Jews were a sort of 'sub strata' of the human species and that these 'non-humans' could be done away with wholesale and without any moral consequence.

Now: To achieve abortion on demand, a deliberate campaign was set into motion to de-humanize the preborn child. The argument was made that the preborn child was anything but human. It was a 'zygote', 'blob of tissue', 'fetus', 'product of conception' etc. etc. It was argued that these 'non-humans' could be done away with if one so chose, and without any moral consequence. This little one was aborted after 14 weeks gestation.

Then: The NAZI SS chose who would live and who would die. Little children, the infirm, the old, the weak were inevitably sent to the gas.
Within hours, their remains were burned in ovens or thrown into mass graves.

Now: Dr's and mothers choose who will live and who will die. Within hours, their little remains will be burned in ovens,ground up, or thrown into a dumpster.

Then: The NAZIs used several methods of eliminating their 'non-humans'. Gas, torture, injection, etc. This man is about to be summarily executed
by an SS soldier with a pistol.

Now:Dr. 's have perfected several methods of eliminating these 'non-humans'. Saline injection, suction, brain suction. This one was dismembered alive in-utero.

Then: Many untold numbers resisted Hitler and the Third Reich's attempt to rule Europe with an iron fist and eventually conquer the world. They were among the first to fight and resist Hitler's 'Final Solution of the Jewish question in Europe'. They were viewed by Hitler and the Third Reich as enemies of the Reich, contemptable traitors worthy of torture and death. Pictured above were members of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising. All the resisters in this picture were sent to the gas.

Now: Untold numbers resist Pro-Abortion groups attempts to rule over the abortion issue with an iron fist and eventually crush all abortion resistance. These modern day resisters continue to be the first and last line of defense for the un-born child. They are viewed by ALL in the abortion movement and many in our government, our courts, our churches and large segments of the populace as enemies of this present order, contemptable traitors to the cause of womans liberation, worthy of abuse, harrasment, lawsuits and arrest. Pictured above, Joseph Scheidler, Executive Director of the Chicago based Pro-Life Action League. On April 20th, 1998, a federal jury ruled in favor of a NOW lawsuit naming Mr. Scheidler and others as conspirators guilty of violating the Federal RICO law, (Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organization Act). In simple english, a federal jury said that peaceful civil pro-life protestors were on the same par as mobsters and others involved in racketeering!

Then: Men, woman and even children resisted the NAZI's in many ways. The resistance was as covert as silent prayers said in secret places and as overt as direct confrontation in the Warsaw ghetto uprising and revolts in the concentration camps where the killing chambers were.

Now: Men, woman and even children resist the abortion machine. Their resistance is as covert as silent prayers said in secret places and as overt as direct confrontation at the killing chambers. In cases of mid to late term abortions, former abortion clinic nurses and former abortionists have stated that they observed the unborn child RESISTING the attempts of the abortionists attempts to grab hold of a leg or arm with instruments or to be poked with a needle. They have witnessed this via ultra-sound imaging.

Then: The SS used several means for disposal of the dead: mass graves and cremation were used most often.

Now: Abortionists use several methods of disposal including sale of tissue, cremation, or grinding (in a garbage disposal). Sometimes they just put the baby in the garbage: these little ones were found in a dumpster behind an abortion clinic.


 

Convince the author of Between Two Holocausts,Bonnie Chernin Rogoff, Founder, Pro Life issues from Jews For Life
Jews For Life is an organization created to reflect the traditional Jewish pro-life perspective on abortion. Our fundamental purpose is to enlighten and inform our readers about the tragic consequences that have befallen women and our culture since Roe v. Wade was enacted into law. Jews For Life maintains that life, both born and unborn, is sacred and worthy of protection.

AND:

I just visited the only former abortion mill turned Memorial in the country: National American Holocaust Memorial in Baton Rouge, LA. 30,000 babies died there from 1986 to 1994. It reopened May 12, 1994 as the only Holocaust Memorial of it's kind in the United States. It is also a center of Christian Pro-Life activity, providing services to help women in crisis pregnancies.

The tables and killing equipment are there just like the day it closed. There is blood on the floor in one room, all the tools of death sitting (quitely).

Fr. Frank Pavone, Priests For Life, said the second Mass there after it became the Memorial. There are pictures of Father Frank standing in the former execution rooms holding some of the equipment! Unbelievable. I felt like I was walking in a nightmare.

America! You have become deadlier than Nazi Germany and Stalins' Russia combined (42,000,000+ million aborted America citizens since 1973, growing daily) But you just keep pushing your baskets through Wal-Mart like: "nuthin's happening-dude" we're the land of Liberty, everything is just fine.

6 posted on 01/10/2003 10:32 PM EST by cpforlife.org


The Moral Question of Abortion

Is Abortion Murder?

The Unborn Victims of Violence Act (H.R. 503) recognizes unborn children as victims of federally prohibited crimes of violence. If someone injures or kills an unborn child while committing a violent federal crime against a pregnant woman, the assailant will be charged with a separate offense on behalf of the unborn child. The bill simply puts federal law behind the common sense recognition that when a criminal attacks a pregnant woman, and injures or kills her unborn child, he has claimed two human victims. The House passed H.R. 503 / vote: 252-172 April 26, 2001

Fetal Psychology

Behaviorally speaking, there's little difference between a newborn baby and a 32-week-old fetus. A new wave of research suggests that the fetus can feel, dream, even enjoy The Cat in the Hat. The abortion debate may never be the same.

As if overturning the common conception of infancy weren't enough, scientists are creating a startling new picture of intelligent life in the womb. Among the revelations:

The Emerging Reality of Fetal Pain in Late Abortion The disturbing concept that an unborn child feels pain while being destroyed has once again entered the public conscience in England, when a pro-choice fetal researcher suggested that anesthesia should be given to comfort the fetus from pain from abortions as early as 17 weeks gestation.

ABCNEWS.com : New Ultrasound Gives Womb With a View As early as the seventh week of pregnancy, they provide a window parents have never had, and an early opportunity to bond.

The scan provides completely different information from the 2-D black and white ultrasound images that all women are offered at 12 and 20 weeks of pregnancy," said Stuart Campbell, head of obstetrics and gynecology at St. George's Hospital Medical School. "The 2-D scan is excellent at showing the structure of the internal organs but the [more-detailed scan] gives better views of the surface features.

The Silent Scream A Realtime ultrasound video tape and movie of a 12-week suction abortion is commercially available as, The Silent Scream, narrated by Dr. B. Nathanson, a former abortionist. It dramatically, but factually, shows the pre-born baby dodging the suction instrument time after time, while its heartbeat doubles in rate. When finally caught, its body being dismembered, the baby's mouth clearly opens wide - hence, the title (available from American Portrait Films, P.O. Box 19266, Cleveland, OH 44119, 216-531-8600). Proabortionists have attempted to discredit this film. A well documented paper refuting their charges is available from National Right to Life, 419 7th St. NW, Washington, DC 20004.

After showing this film to thousands of women contemplating an abortion, we can testify to its powerful impact on them to choose life for their preborn child.

Click Here to See What Abortion Looks Like From the inception of his pro-life work, Fr. Frank Pavone has been urging the mass media to show the American people what an abortion is. Abortion is a reality which is so horrific that words alone can never convey its meaning.

CBR / Abortion Pictures The Center for Bio-Ethical Reform (CBR) is working to establish prenatal justice and the right to life for the unborn, the disabled, the infirm, the aged and all vulnerable peoples through education and the development of cutting edge educational resources.

Abortion Videos

Medical Evidence that a Child Feels Pain

36 posted on 02/22/2003 12:55:45 PM PST by Remedy
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To: ggekko
DITTO!
37 posted on 02/22/2003 12:59:04 PM PST by Remedy
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Need to add HILLARY'S face to that axis of evil. No, make that both Clintons - in the manner of Janus, the two-faced Roman God.
38 posted on 02/22/2003 1:04:29 PM PST by Remedy
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To: Remedy
Somehow dumping a load of copied text is considered a response to my post? Can't you do something a bit more specific and personal, or are you some kind of robot?

As far as MY ability to suffer and be aware of my own existence as a fetus, I'll stick to my own memories. Funny I have no recollection of any existence at the time, not even of the responses of my fetal nervous system to _Cat in the Hat_ or anything else. I have yet to find anyone who has.

Since you didn't deny my accusations, I will assume that you believe a pregnant woman should be put to death if it would enhance the survivability of a (more innocent) fetus.

I will also assume that you would impose a new large tax burden to combat the worldwide plague of spontaneous abortions that may account for many hundreds of millions of innocent deaths each year. Far far more deaths than due to elective abortions.
39 posted on 02/22/2003 1:11:01 PM PST by beavus
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To: beavus
Click on the links and educate yourself, BUTTHEAD!
40 posted on 02/22/2003 1:13:38 PM PST by Remedy
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To: Remedy
Click on the links and educate yourself, BUTTHEAD!

Try reading my posts and actually responding to them, bloody idiot.

41 posted on 02/22/2003 1:16:47 PM PST by beavus
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To: George W. Bush
Hitler may have moved slightly to the right of his original program, after he disposed of his number two man, Ernst Rohm, the Homosexual street thug. But he remained a Socialist--never became even a middle of the roader.

When he and Stalin got together in 1939, they were both more comfortable with one another, than either ever was with any Western leaders.

For a detailed analysis of where Hitler and the Nazis were in the poltical spectrum, see The Lies Of Socialism. In every respect, Hitler lived and died on the Left.

William Flax

43 posted on 02/22/2003 2:07:11 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: cpforlife.org
no one here set up any “system” It was “set-up” by the Judeo-Christian ethic millennia ago

Whatever your reason, you do admit that the life of any human fetus has more value to you than the life of any adult.

Just keep the reach of your bloody ideology away from my wife in case she should have a complicated pregnancy or delivery. I don't want your cult groupies crying for the sacrifice of, or increased risk to, my wife for the sake of the fetus. My wife means MORE to me than our unborn child.

Be sure to get your priorities straight. Many many more embryos and fetuses die from spontaneous abortions than die from elective abortions. What do you propose to do about that?

Skimming your links I could not find how they were relevant to or contradict any of my points. Maybe you will tell me in your own words, if you have any.

44 posted on 02/22/2003 2:25:41 PM PST by beavus
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*******************"Fascism was better described by Mousolini as the partnership between corporations and government, or corporatism."******************************************************************************

Fascism is an ideology in which government doesn't own the property but controls it through laws. What do we have today in this country?

45 posted on 02/22/2003 2:39:56 PM PST by Chapita
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To: beavus
GET A TEENAGER TO HELP YOU READ!
46 posted on 02/22/2003 3:06:36 PM PST by Remedy
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To: Remedy
GET A TEENAGER TO HELP YOU READ!

Such as yourself perhaps? Now if you could just find someone to help you think...

47 posted on 02/22/2003 3:36:59 PM PST by beavus
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To: beavus
beavus, you state: “Whatever your reason, you do admit that the life of any human fetus has more value to you than the life of any adult.” That is the furthest thing from the truth; they DO NOT have more value—only equal value.

You also say: “Many many more embryos and fetuses die from spontaneous abortions than die from elective abortions. What do you propose to do about that?” That is called NATURE beavus (as long as they are not caused by the abortifacient effects of many forms of chemical birth control—i.e. the pill) and we don’t have a problem with God’s design of nature. Haven’t you heard beavus, miscarriage and elective abortion are two completely different things; don’t try to cloud the issue.

See http://www.prolife-mcfl.org/refjrnl/abrotifacient.htm
about IMPORTANT FACTS ABOUT BIRTH CONTROL CHEMICALS – they can and do cause abortion of babies—your babies.

Lastly, you say: “Maybe you will tell me in your own words, if you have any.” Go to CHRISTIAN PATRIOTS FOR LIFE they are all “my words,” beavus, I am the founder.

beavus, I have one question for you. On your post # 32 you said, “Elective abortion is appalling. Perhaps it should be illegal.” In context with everything else you have written, could you please clarify for me your position on Roe & Doe etc? I really do want to understand how you view this.


48 posted on 02/22/2003 3:52:06 PM PST by cpforlife.org
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To: Republican_Strategist
duh
49 posted on 02/22/2003 3:53:04 PM PST by americanbychoice
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To: beavus
I believe Remedy did respond more than adequately to your post, but since you feel more is required I will give it a try.

You equate the killing of an adult with the killing of a fetus? You equate the evoked terror, termination of a character, a personality, a creature with awareness of its mortality and the suffering and end it is to endure with the killing of a tabula rasa, unaware of its own suffering or even existence?

This is an argument for legalizing infanticide. Infants have not developed any character, they are essentially amoral beings, and to some extent they are not fully self-conscious, in that they do not yet have a well developed self image separate from their mother. This off course does not mean they are not conscious, which they surely are, as science and premature births have proven, third trimester fetuses are also conscious and experience pain. Parts of your argument can also apply to the legalization of the killing of the unconscious. Unconscious adults are not self aware, they are not moral beings while unconscious, they exhibit no character, they do not experience pain and they are completely unaware of their future whether positive or negative. Using your argument, should it not be legal to kill an unconscious person, who has a chance of regaining consciousness, simply beacuse they are at the moment unconscious? I think, not. Regarding the tabula rosa idea, it has been largely discredited by modern psychology. Much of who we are personality wise is determined by genetics. Yes we still make choices and are influenced by our environment, but a significant part of who a zygote will become is determined by its unigue genetics, which consequently have potential to add something very unique to society.

You value a creature who's innocence is a result lack of will, lack of ability to know, choose, or act, over an an adult who is somehow considered less valuable because its fallible experience and understanding has led it, invariably, to make some bad decisions and thus drop into the less valuable, defiled category of the sub-innocent?

I don't believe Remedy ever said any such thing. Why shouldn't a baby have the same right to make decisions and enjoy life, as an adult does? A murdered adult, has at least had the opportunity to enjoy life up until the point of the murder, whereas the aborted baby has not even been allowed to breathe his or her first breath. Why is it that we mourn more for the death of a child than we do for the death of an elderly person? It is simply beacuse the elderly person has had a chance to experience life, while the child hasn't. The same applies even more so to aborted babies.

You set up a value system whereby any human fetus is of greater value than than all adults because of relative innocence. Such a system would lead to situations where a mother would be sacrificed for the benefit of the more innocent fetus. It would mean the tragedy and terror of a vast worldwide deadly plague--worse than any the world has known--is less than the tragedy of the widespread spontaneous abortions that women who wish to get pregnant have always experienced--often without even knowing. It would mandate enormous resources to stopping the "scourge" of the spontaneous abortion.

Here you make a good point, but it does not forward your case. It is true from the pro-life perspective, that spontaneous abortions are a tragedy, and many women who experience them would agree they are tragic and traumatic. Should we spend milions of dollars, if not billions, trying to end miscarriages. Yes of course and we are already doing so with premature C-sections and operations on fetuses in the womb. But this has nothing to do with aborion, which is a decision to unnaturally end a fetus's life, making it a preventable death,simply by making the correct choice. This is obviously, the same distinction between a plague we are unable to stop and the choice of the Nazi's to kill Jews and others.

Such a system would lead to situations where a mother would be sacrificed for the benefit of the more innocent fetus.

This sentence deserves special attention. Parents often risk their life for their children, and sometimes voluntarily give up their own life to save a child. To some this seems unnatural, but other call it unselfish love.

Elective abortion is appalling. Perhaps it should be illegal. But it is sick to compare it to the Nazi holocaust.

I agree elective abortion is appalling. It should be made illegal. If we can agree, that 3rd trimester abortions are essentially wrong and equivalent to murdering an infant, then abortion since Roe vs Wade is comparable to the Holocaust. If only 5% of all abortions are in the 3rd trimester, then there have been 2.25 million 3rd trimester abortions in the US since Roe vs Wade. This is probably a fraction of the worldwide number of 3rd trimester abortions during the same period. Sadly, abortion is comparable to the Holocaust.

Just keep the reach of your bloody ideology away from my wife in case she should have a complicated pregnancy or delivery. I don't want your cult groupies crying for the sacrifice of, or increased risk to, my wife for the sake of the fetus. My wife means MORE to me than our unborn child.

I'll avoid the temptation to name call and simply say this. In this day and age, the chance of any woman, having a life threatening pregnancy is miniscule, with the exception of a tubal pregnancy, in which case the baby has no chance of living, without further advances in medicine. So you are willing to look the other way while millions of babies are murdered mostly for convenience, simply to keep open the abortion option in the highly unlikely case that your wife happens to have a life threatening pregnancy, where an abortion is the only way to spare her life. Since you like hypotheticals so much, here's one. Your wife has an incurable liver disease, and the only way to save her is a liver transplant. She is far down on the waiting list, so she decides to get pregnant so she can bear a child that will be a liver donor to her. Is it moral? Surely her life is more valuable than the baby's, at least in your reasoning.

50 posted on 02/22/2003 3:57:19 PM PST by Pres Raygun
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