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Sandy Koufax- Apology Not Enough from Dodgers Over 'Gay' Article
ESPN ^ | February 22, 2003 | Linda Cohen

Posted on 02/22/2003 6:40:48 AM PST by ewing

Sandy Koufax will sever his 48 year ties with the Brooklyn/Los Angeles Dodgers over a ballclub parent owned article that appeared in the New York Post that said a 'Hall of Fame Dodger player' was gay.

The Dodgers had offered a formal apology to the all star in return for his particiaption in club activites


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: Florida
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Too bad it had to go down like this.

I dont agree with his lifestyle choice, but everone agrees that Sandy is a good guy.

1 posted on 02/22/2003 6:40:49 AM PST by ewing
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To: ewing
I didn't know he was gay. But then, I never thought about it, never cared one way or the other.
2 posted on 02/22/2003 6:46:28 AM PST by lonestar (Don't mess with Texans)
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To: lonestar
The author on this upcoming book said he interviewed over 400 people for his boigraphy on Sandy and not one person had a bad thing to say about him.
3 posted on 02/22/2003 6:48:34 AM PST by ewing
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To: All
Link http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2003/0221/1512383.html
4 posted on 02/22/2003 6:50:11 AM PST by ewing
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To: ewing
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/48828p-45876c.html

The Word

Left-handed praise

You may have read elsewhere that an unnamed "baseball hero" who is the subject of a best-selling biography allegedly agreed to cooperate with the author only after receiving a promise that the book would not reveal he is gay. Now, The Word is no sports fan, but does read best-seller lists, and that made it pretty simple to narrow down the possible subject of that blind item to Sandy Koufax, the great left-handed Dodger pitcher whose bio was a big book this Christmas.

Koufax gay? Nothing wrong with that — but no way!

The Word easily confirmed that Koufax lives in Greenwich Village and in Bucks County, Pa., with a woman he met on Tortola, where they both often spend time. She bears an uncanny resemblance to Carly Simon — and Koufax isn't her first brush with celebrity. She was the roommate of First Lady Laura Bush at Southern Methodist University.





5 posted on 02/22/2003 6:51:43 AM PST by vrwc54
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To: ewing
Saw Koufax strike out 18 once.One of best pitchers in baseball and I always appreciated the fact that he refused to pitch a crucial game because of his religious beliefs.I can't say I blame him for severing ties.He is certainly more of a man than say Buzzie Bavasi and his remarks about minorities.
6 posted on 02/22/2003 6:53:12 AM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: ewing
So I guess now we are supposed to assume that every athlete who stays single is a homosexual? It started with Piazza and now Koufax. Must be quite a shock to all those women that they have dated over all these years.
7 posted on 02/22/2003 6:54:13 AM PST by Iowegian
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To: vrwc54
The only other baseball guy who has a book out right now is Joe Dimaggio and his best friend/advisor.

If Sandy wasn't gay, why not just accept the apology and continue working in Spring Training as the 'unofficial' pitching coach emertius?

8 posted on 02/22/2003 6:54:39 AM PST by ewing
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To: Iowegian
There were gay rumors dogging Sandy Alomar and Rodger Clemens as well the past few years..
9 posted on 02/22/2003 6:56:23 AM PST by ewing
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
What did Bavasi say about minorities?
10 posted on 02/22/2003 6:56:45 AM PST by Iowegian
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To: ewing
So you assume that all rumors are true?
11 posted on 02/22/2003 6:57:39 AM PST by Iowegian
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To: ewing
Koufax was the DiMaggio of his generation: pure class. I watched his perfect game on TV and saw a no-hitter and a 18-strikeout game in person. He lead the league in ERA five consecutive seasons and went 14-7 (14-2 when he was injured), 25-5, 19-5 (when he went out for the season in early August), 26-8, and 27-9. Not many pitchers leave the game at 27 & 9. The Dodgers were incredibly loose when he pitched. Koufax would joke with Johnny Roseboro (another class act) while he was pitching. With Koufax on the mound, the Dodgers knew all they had to do to win was score one run or two runs. Maury Wills would single, steal second, go to third on a grounder, and Tommy Davis or Frank Howard would get the sac fly. Put another W in Koufax's column. Koufax even went 3-1 lifetime against Juan Marichal.




12 posted on 02/22/2003 6:58:31 AM PST by Man of the Right
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To: ewing
As I recall, Mr. Koufax was once the son-in-law of the late actor Richard Widwark, star of the film "Cheyenne Autumn," among many others.
13 posted on 02/22/2003 6:59:04 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: ewing
I met Sandy and his wife, Ann back in the 70's. At that time if you wanted to talk to him the one thing you did not do was bring up baseball. Sandy wanted more than anything to remain a private regular person. If you mentioned anything about his career he would walk away.

Can you imagine his outrage if these rumors are not true?

14 posted on 02/22/2003 6:59:38 AM PST by TruthWillWin
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To: Iowegian
I dont think Clemens is gay at this moment, he has a wife now..

But Alomar is probably the closest to being 'out of the closet' I dont think anyone has asked him

15 posted on 02/22/2003 6:59:44 AM PST by ewing
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To: Iowegian
Koufax was never arrested, never trashed the armed forces. He played the game and when he could pitch no longer, departed as gracefully as he threw the curve.
16 posted on 02/22/2003 7:00:38 AM PST by Man of the Right
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To: Man of the Right
I am confused. I read the ESPN article and are they saying that the POST is sorry that they got it wrong and Koufax isn't gay or that they were not supposed to say anything and he is gay?
17 posted on 02/22/2003 7:01:01 AM PST by Lemondropkid31
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To: TruthWillWin
I can see Sandy taking a moral stand here as long as News Corp owns the Dodgers.
18 posted on 02/22/2003 7:02:00 AM PST by ewing
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To: Man of the Right
Koufax is a class act, very private and very proud. So given the fact that he never married and he guards his private life, gossipmongers assume the worst. I don't blame him for severing his ties with the team. And yes, in his prime he was almost unhittable.
19 posted on 02/22/2003 7:02:27 AM PST by Iowegian
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To: Lemondropkid31
That was my question, if the Post has retracted the article and apologized..why is Sandy still boycotting the Dodgers?
20 posted on 02/22/2003 7:03:20 AM PST by ewing
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To: ewing
Thats my question too; why is he blaming the Dodgers for this? No one on the team did anything wrong.
21 posted on 02/22/2003 7:04:41 AM PST by Lemondropkid31
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To: TruthWillWin
Can you imagine his outrage if these rumors are not true?

And, can you imagine his outrage if the rumors are true? Why a private person's life is publicly discussed in the first place is just plain wrong.

22 posted on 02/22/2003 7:04:53 AM PST by Cagey
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To: Iowegian
Koufax is a class act, very private and very proud. So given the fact that he never married and he guards his private life, gossipmongers assume the worst. I don't blame him for severing his ties with the team. And yes, in his prime he was almost unhittable.

Koufax has been married. His first wife's name was Ann.

23 posted on 02/22/2003 7:05:11 AM PST by TruthWillWin
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To: Iowegian
The Dodgers had nothing to do with starting the rumor. My opinion of Koufax has gone down because of this, and not because of the allegation.
24 posted on 02/22/2003 7:05:30 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Lemondropkid31
Sandy has said that he would 'look stupid' supporting the Dodgers while the NY Post parent company still owns the team.

So I assume that if Rupert Murdoch sells his stake of the ballclub Sandy will come back to be pitching coach again..

25 posted on 02/22/2003 7:06:27 AM PST by ewing
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To: ewing
I dont think Clemens is gay at this moment, he has a wife now..

FWIW, gay people DO get married to the opposite sex. They even have kids by their spouses. Sometimes its just for cover...

26 posted on 02/22/2003 7:08:13 AM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: Iowegian
http://www.usatoday.com/life/books/reviews/2003-02-12-koufax_x.htm

At Koufax's request, Leavy didn't interview his closest living relatives, a niece and nephew. She chose not to call his two former wives or his current girlfriend. She writes: "You don't need to know everything to write the truth. You just need to know enough."
27 posted on 02/22/2003 7:08:16 AM PST by vrwc54
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To: TruthWillWin
Koufax has been married. His first wife's name was Ann.

OK, my mistake. Makes the rumors even more questionable to me.

28 posted on 02/22/2003 7:08:17 AM PST by Iowegian
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To: ewing
I read the linked story(by clicking on
MLB News). All I got is that Koufax &
a bunch of others are upset about a
gossip column mention implying he is
Gay. Nowhere does he or anyone else
confirm he is Gay. They're just mad as
hops it was implied.

Is there confirming info out there? I
did not seek out knowing such a thing
about Koufax or anyone. But now I do
want to understand what is going on.

Previous posts assume this is known.
29 posted on 02/22/2003 7:11:36 AM PST by txrangerette
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To: ewing
Here's why:

50,000,000 see the article--now presume he's gay.

15,000,000 see the retraction. Most probably still think he is gay, and that the paper published the retraction out of fear of a lawsuit.

You cannot undo damage in our sensational, tabloid culture. Just ask Richard Jewel.

If I were Koufax, I'd never associate with the Dodgers again (at least for so long as they are owned by News Corp).

30 posted on 02/22/2003 7:11:38 AM PST by Zebra
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To: Dog Gone
The Dodgers had nothing to do with starting the rumor. My opinion of Koufax has gone down because of this, and not because of the allegation.

Yes I know they didn't, but he was taking a stand and he would have to swallow his pride to go back on that now, and as I said before he is a proud and private man. This is just the kind of thing he despises the most from the press, gossipmongering. Good newspapers don't do that.

31 posted on 02/22/2003 7:13:18 AM PST by Iowegian
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To: txrangerette
If I was Sandy and this was not true, I would sue.
32 posted on 02/22/2003 7:14:02 AM PST by ewing
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To: Dog Gone
I agree if Sandy was concerned about taking a stand then he should take them to court.
33 posted on 02/22/2003 7:15:06 AM PST by ewing
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To: ET(end tyranny)
FWIW, gay people DO get married to the opposite sex. They even have kids by their spouses. Sometimes its just for cover . . .

IOW, "gay" is a behavior choice that can switched on and off and controlled--it is not a exotic third or fourth gender.

Of course, rational poople know that and have always known that.

34 posted on 02/22/2003 7:15:39 AM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Zebra
Good post, I agree. But unfortunately, now that he has done this (sever ties with the Dodgers) it multiplies the number of people who read about it and assume that it is true. Just read the thread and you'll see that. But that is what happens sometimes when you fight back against the media.
35 posted on 02/22/2003 7:17:28 AM PST by Iowegian
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To: txrangerette
But that is not how the gossipmongers work. They don't mention names or facts, they report rumors and don't name names. Like last year they wrote a little piece about a rumor going arond that a member of the Mets is gay. Right away the rest of the press and public assumes it's true and pretty soon they are all asking question to several players to feed the frenzy. Same here. They don't want to get sued so the do it on the sly, giving just enough information for everyone to narrow it down to a few people or in the case of Koufax, just him, without naming him, of course.
36 posted on 02/22/2003 7:24:11 AM PST by Iowegian
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To: ewing
Oh fine, the media circus of a lawsuit
to prove the Post/Gossip writer knew
Sandy isn't Gay(or should've known)
but wrote it anyway. Yeah, that would
get his personal life back to privacy.

IOW, no confirming info that he's Gay.
37 posted on 02/22/2003 7:28:49 AM PST by txrangerette
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To: ewing
If I was Sandy and this was not true, I would sue.

See the ESPN article, he can't sue, they didn't use his name in the story.

38 posted on 02/22/2003 7:29:40 AM PST by Iowegian
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To: ewing
But Alomar is probably the closest to being 'out of the closet' I dont think anyone has asked him

Why would they?

39 posted on 02/22/2003 7:33:40 AM PST by laredo44
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To: laredo44
Why would they?

I don't know why they would, but I do know why they won't.

40 posted on 02/22/2003 7:37:05 AM PST by Iowegian (He would spit on the reporters face)
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To: Kevin Curry
IOW, "gay" is a behavior choice that can switched on and off and controlled--it is not a exotic third or fourth gender.

double yup!

42 posted on 02/22/2003 7:43:06 AM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775; Iowegian
than say Buzzie Bavasi and his remarks about minorities.

Thinking of Al Campanis? (Blacks/"necessities", etc.)

43 posted on 02/22/2003 7:43:59 AM PST by ErnBatavia ((Bumperootus!))
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To: Man of the Right
Koufax was the DiMaggio of his generation: pure class. I watched his perfect game on TV and saw a no-hitter and a 18-strikeout game in person.

The thing I remember about Sandy Koufax was a game against the Giants in Candlestick Park. The Giants had all kinds of right-handed power in their lineup and had been crushing the ball for about two weeks before then, and the light-hitting Dodgers were said to be running into a juggernaut.

Koufax beat them 11-1 on three hits, not one of which was hit hard -- two infield singles and a blooper to the outfield. Willie Mays said he's never seen a more dominant pitcher in any game than Koufax was in that one. Most awesome pitching performance I've ever seen.

That's what I remember about Sandy Koufax.

44 posted on 02/22/2003 7:48:14 AM PST by Euro-American Scum
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To: Zebra
If I were Koufax, I'd never associate with the Dodgers again (at least for so long as they are owned by News Corp).

The worst thing to happen to the Dodgers was to be sold to Rupert Murdock. They went from being a unique organization under the O'Malley family to just another team.

45 posted on 02/22/2003 7:50:18 AM PST by Euro-American Scum
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To: ErnBatavia
That's what I thought he meant, but I was trying to confirm.
46 posted on 02/22/2003 7:54:07 AM PST by Iowegian (I wasn't going to give him any help for his PC rant)
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To: ewing
What lifestyle choice would that be?

And why do you assume that to be true?

47 posted on 02/22/2003 7:54:35 AM PST by William McKinley (You're so vain, you probably think this tagline's about you)
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To: ewing
I don't believe it!
48 posted on 02/22/2003 7:56:26 AM PST by blackbart1
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To: Iowegian
Better to fight back than take it, even if it means greater publicity. Unfortunately, we see fewer and fewer personal stands being taken today when the media is involved. Like appeasing an aggressor, they are more emboldened with each outrage gone by unremarked.

The greatest threat facing America is not Iraq (although it is time to act there)--it is (i) a "news" media that demands political correctness, willingly slants current events and promotes a divisive culture and (ii) an entertainment media that glorifies violence, competes with the salacious and offers unadulterated crap like "Joe Millionaire". There has always been a bigger payoff pandering to our baser instincts (just ask the internet porn industry), and I shudder to think how low the entertainment media will sink.

Good for Sandy Koufax.

49 posted on 02/22/2003 8:19:40 AM PST by Zebra
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To: Man of the Right
Koufax was the DiMaggio of his generation: pure class

Right. DiMaggio tried to nail every chick in every town during every season during his entire career. He got the JFK treatment from the press, so never a word was ever leaked. Does that make him a bad guy? No, of course not; but please, let's not deify him.

50 posted on 02/22/2003 8:23:00 AM PST by Snerfling
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