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Model Rockets May Be Grounded Model rockets may be grounded
Space.com/MSNBC ^ | February 25, 2003 | Jim Banke

Posted on 02/26/2003 2:04:23 PM PST by Squawk 8888

New rules from Homeland Security Act unfair, hobbyists say

HOUSTON, Feb. 25 — A provision deep within the regulations of the new Homeland Security Act is threatening to shut down the popular hobby of model rocketry because the propellant used to make the rocket’s solid-fueled motors is now classified as explosive material.

THE CHANGE IN STATUS, approved in November 2002 as an update to the Safe Explosives Act of 1970, imposes new restrictions on shipping and handling the rocket motors, which have been safely flown by thousands of students for many years. Under the new rules, which fully take effect May 24, shipping companies are required to have every employee who might touch the rocket motors be certified, pass background checks and get fingerprinted — an added expense the companies are unlikely to bear. United Parcel Service already has stopped shipping the more powerful versions of model rocket engines, according to Tim Van Milligan, president of Apogee Rockets in Colorado Springs, Colo. There also are reports that some trucking and railroad firms have stopped shipping the motors, and Fed Ex employees have indicated to some model rocket flyers they likely will follow suit in the coming weeks. “It is the heart of the problem we face. Because if manufacturers like Estes can’t get rocket motors delivered to stores, the hobby is completely dead,” Van Milligan said. U.S. Senator Michael Enzi, R-Wyo., intends to introduce legislation as early as this week to make what’s being called a “technical correction” to the Safe Explosives Act so that the material used inside the small motors is removed from the “explosives list.”

“Congress defined an explosive as any chemical mixture or device whose primary or common purpose is to function by explosion,” Enzi wrote to Bradley Buckles, director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF). “I am told that the ATF claims that the primary or common purpose of a rocket propellant is to explode. A rocket propellant is not designed or intended to explode,” Enzi said. The model rocket scientists-turned-lobbyists are quick to point out that if model rocket engines are designed to explode under the definition used by the ATF, no rocket would get off the ground. It would just blow up on the pad. SPACE.com contacted the ATF and left messages but no one returned the calls. When informing one unnamed assistant of the topic, she said “we’ve been getting a lot of calls on the subject of model rockets.”

“It makes no more sense to restrict aerospace modeling than it would have to ban rental trucks after they were misused in Oklahoma and New York.” There are ways to continue flying model rockets under the current law, but they involve applying for permits, paying a fee, undergoing a background check and getting finger printed. “Model rocketeers are not criminals and this law treats them like one. How would you like your kids to be finger printed just to fly rockets?” said Van Milligan, who went through what he described as a “difficult” process. For the space modeling enthusiasts, the actions of the government make no sense, especially at a time when the nation is recovering from the Feb. 1 shuttle Columbia tragedy and kids of all ages are asking questions about the value of such programs. Advertisement

“Because of increasing legal restrictions, a lack of understanding about model rocketry’s excellent safety record, and a general bias against hobby rocketry, it is becoming extremely difficult to get the permits and launch sites needed to expose these young people to the educationally stimulating and inspirational effects of rocketry,” said Craig Cline, senior adviser of the Alhambra Rocketry Club in Los Angeles. “Our country’s leadership needs to encourage and protect, not stifle, the ability of the public and our youth to engage in the activities and pursuit of knowledge that have allowed us to become the world leader in scientific advancement.”

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: homelandinsecurity
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I feel so much safer now.
1 posted on 02/26/2003 2:04:23 PM PST by Squawk 8888
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To: Squawk 8888
BATF (now BATFE and part of Homeland Security, a fact which makes me feel much less secure) has been after model rocket motors for quite some time. I guess they finally managed to get some of their institutional paranoia into the law. Before they tried to do it through "rule making" and got shot down before their proposed rules could go into effect.

2 posted on 02/26/2003 2:08:21 PM PST by El Gato
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To: Squawk 8888
Ruin things for kids and good, loyal citizens while letting anyone come into the country unchecked. The government will only fight and control the people that will let them. And guess who those people are?
3 posted on 02/26/2003 2:09:38 PM PST by Captainpaintball
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To: Squawk 8888
What about black powder for muzzleloaders? is that next.
4 posted on 02/26/2003 2:10:03 PM PST by Husker24
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To: El Gato
I guess model rocketeers now join gun owners, or would be gun owners, as terrorists or criminals in the eyes of the federal government, unless and until proven otherwise.
5 posted on 02/26/2003 2:11:48 PM PST by El Gato
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To: Squawk 8888
I read something once about making rocket engines out of sugar once, but I cant remember how to do it and i think you had to have a bunch of other chemicals.
6 posted on 02/26/2003 2:12:11 PM PST by Husker24
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To: Squawk 8888
I read somewhere that during the Soviet War in Afganistan the Mujahadeen used model rockets as stinger decoys to draw the Russians' fire.
7 posted on 02/26/2003 2:17:57 PM PST by Carpet Kitten
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To: El Gato
The model rocket builders, kids and hobbyists, are going to find out their rocket kits will cost about $8 to $12 dollars more with this shipping proviso.

That's the amount each and every firearm and case of ammo became more expensive when the same was done with them a few years back during the Clinton Administration's BAFT.
8 posted on 02/26/2003 2:22:38 PM PST by RicocheT
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To: Husker24
It would be already, except there is a special exemption for it, in small amounts, already written into the law. Title 18, section 845 (a) (1) Of course black powder really is an explosive. The exception seems to only cover commercially produced black powder, so if you get some saltpeter, charcoal, and sulper and make your own, you're probably a terrorist.
9 posted on 02/26/2003 2:24:40 PM PST by El Gato
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To: El Gato
BATF takes toy's away from children. BATF hates kids, they proven that in Waco.
10 posted on 02/26/2003 2:24:44 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn
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To: Steve Van Doorn; All
Aren't all of you's tired of your governments bullcrap by now..???
11 posted on 02/26/2003 2:28:08 PM PST by freddy
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To: Carpet Kitten
I read somewhere that during the Soviet War in Afganistan the Mujahadeen used model rockets as stinger decoys to draw the Russians' fire.

Kinda sorta. You probably read it in Tom Clancy's "Cardinal of the Kremlin". But it was the US that provided those "Smokey Joe" "model rockets" to the muj. I've seen them, they are just a piece of styrofoam in a shape that resemble nothing so much as the old "BombPop" frozen confection, only about 2-3 times as large in each dimension. I would guess they use the larger size model rocket motors, if that is what they use at all. They are used as SAM similators by our own military, such as during Red Flag exercises.

12 posted on 02/26/2003 2:28:58 PM PST by El Gato
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To: Squawk 8888
When will everyday citizens need a special 'permit' to buy that ever-dangerous substance known as 'gasoline'?

One more sign of the erosion of our free lifestyle for the sake of 'safety'. We'll soon have less practical freedom than Euros if we keep this up.

13 posted on 02/26/2003 2:30:24 PM PST by zoyd
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To: Squawk 8888
Well, I think that Model RC Planes are more of a threat. I did a little searching on the net yesterday and found some sites that are related to model RC "Crop Dusters". That sounds too much like the RPVs that Iraq could use against us with Bio or Chemicals.

an example is: http://spray-plane.tripod.com

14 posted on 02/26/2003 2:32:39 PM PST by W04Man (Bush2004 Grassroots Campaign aka BushBot www.w-04.com)
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Ah, who'd want to encourage their kids to grow up to be rocket scientists anyway? Maybe the kids who did rocketry can use the time to loiter at shopping malls and get into trouble. Idle hands and all...
15 posted on 02/26/2003 2:34:14 PM PST by Slainte
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To: Squawk 8888
ANTI-TERROR ÜBER ALLES!!!
16 posted on 02/26/2003 2:34:15 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: Squawk 8888
Already posted here. Previous poster neglected to use original title.
17 posted on 02/26/2003 2:35:34 PM PST by TomServo
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To: Carpet Kitten
meoooow
18 posted on 02/26/2003 2:46:31 PM PST by rface (Ashland, Missouri to Wash. D.C. March 1, 2003 "Supporting our Troops")
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To: Squawk 8888
Bump
19 posted on 02/26/2003 2:50:44 PM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: Squawk 8888
Someday, we will celebrate the attainment of a risk-free society. And promptly be arrested for it.
20 posted on 02/26/2003 2:56:01 PM PST by tacticalogic (Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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