Communist Goals (1963) My title, The reason the media is biased in favor of un-American attitudes.

Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 ^ | Thursday, January 10, 1963 | [From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]

[Captain Kirk]

No I don't think he was lying but would like to know the source of this document. Where was it published? Did the commies use this "Dr Evil" type wording, etc.? I am have asked these questions many times and nobody has answered them. If you can provide the evidence, I am all ears. The ball is in your court.

[oyez]

"Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

Would they really say that? Would they claim their fellow traveler, Picasso was putting out repulsive, meaningless art?

[Captain Kirk]

You are making an argument from authority. This is not enough for any historian or researcher who is worth his salt. I concede that Mr. Skousen was a great guy....but nobody is perfect. I asked some very simple questions about the wording of the doucment and where it came from. Can you answer them? Until I see evidence to the contrary, I think this Dr. Evil type "let's conquer the world" wording is laughable.

[Coleus]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/847403/posts?page=36#36

[Coleus]

MEMO TO THE VATICAN: WATCH THE U.N. WITH MORE CAUTION, AS WELL AS RISE OF EUROPE

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/852847/posts

[Carry_Okie]

This is not enough for any historian or researcher who is worth his salt.

It depends upon the venue, doesn't it? This is a public forum. As it says in the reading above, the "wording of that document" as read into the Congressional Record, came from Dr. Skounsen's book: The Naked Communist. The book is currently not available on Amazon or Barnes and Noble or I would have posted you a link (it is listed on both in case you want to read the reviews). You might try obtaining it HERE (I don't have a copy or I would make a meaningless (to you) citation). If you want a specific citation, that takes someone who has a copy of the book. I don't. You might ask Freeper forest. IIRC, he has the original copy of the Congressional Record.

[o_zarkman44]

You ponder over who wrote the transcript and if it is verbatum or someone's translation. Regardless of how it is worded, can you not deny that the goals as published have for the most part been accomplished substantially?

Each and every goal listed is ment to discredit and undermine THE AMERICAN WAY. As I asked you before, if you question the intent of this transcript, does that make you one of THE ENABLERS? It seems that it would if you deny the obvious.

[Coleus]

http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3b555c262d74.htm

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/722955/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/745337/posts

http://www.academia.org/campus_reports/1998/february_1998_3.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b548ccc25e5.htm

http://www.rcf.org/docs/beginningoftheend.htm

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3926ba0b3bfa.htm

http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3b1dcf16114b.htm The wildlands Project and Agenda 21

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3ac76978087e.htm
Education the Fifth Estate
http://www.freeRepublic.com/forum/a3b0e83a71dd0.htm

[Domestic Church]

Thank you for those great encyclical links and for activating the ones I posted! That Lucis Trust stuff is scary. I'm hoping and praying this Iraq war triggers the UN's demise.

[Captain Kirk]

Well...we just have a different approach. In my view, if a document is bogus it should not be used and is to our discredit if we use it. Your argument would also justify the bogus Hitler gun control quote which thoroughly embarrased the NRA when shown to be a fake. It was "true" too by your standards.

I am more and more convinced that this is a sham since neither you nor anyone else here seems to be able to answer my basic questions, or even interested in researching them!

[Captain Kirk]

Again, what about my questions? If the document is genuine, let's see the evidence. Where was it first published? Who drafted it? How was it obtained? Is this the official wording of a party document? Finally, do you actually care whether it is genuine?

Please don't give me an argument from authority. Though I respect Charlton Heston and Rush, for example, both used the bogus Hitler gun control quote (much to their embarrassment). To their credit, both admitted their error and stopped giving the quote. Will the circulators of the "Goals" do the same. As to the Congressional record, I can give you some real whoppers published there from Maxine Waters.

[Carry_Okie]

You have been offered a source. Now you are simply being lazy in defense of a flippant and baseless disputation. You chose to equate the piece with Maxine Waters. Had you considered looking up much of the background on Dr. Skousen you would have known better.

Seeing as he was a professor at BYU and authored seventeen books, Dr Skousen's CV is easily understood by doing a few searches and reading up on the background. If you have the curiosity (which I doubt; as I think you are just playing stupid games), avail yourself of it. There are ample reviews of his work at Amazon for example and one at the site I gave you that indicates The Naked Communist has over 100 sources.

You clearly don't have "the authority" to deem it bogus, do you?

[Sloth]

What difference does it make? If it can be established it came from 1963 or before, then it is remarkably prescient regardless of who wrote it. If you don't want to attribute to that book, fine, attribute to that Representative's statement in the Congressional Record. It stands very well on its own.

[Carry_Okie]

I didn't say that he did. I said that much of what he derived came from Gramsci and that clearly whouldn't include nuclear weapons. My understanding is that Skousens' book lists over 100 separate sources.

[Captain Kirk]

Your argument applies to equally to the bogus Hitler quote which servered to embarass the gun rights movement including Heston and Rush. It too was "true" by the "what difference does it make" standard you use. I do not believe we can anywhere but promoting fakes or forgeries. The truth is sufficiently powerful.

[Sloth]

The Hitler quote I think you're referring to is purely fabricated. How does that compare to a *real* list from the early '60s?

[Coleus]

I'm hoping and praying this Iraq war triggers the UN's demise.
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It's probably going to make the UN Stronger as it has become since Bosnia.

[the_doc]

The list is not an urban legend.

Skousen's book The Naked Communist, published in 1958, is one of the most important books ever written for grasping Communist Party activities during the Cold War. I read parts of the book back in the 1960s.

I understand that copies of Skousen's famous and important book are still available. I would suggest that you do an internet search and get a copy of the book-- and come up to speed, not disparage the list of the 45 goals as an "urban legend."

On October 25, 1999, Geoff Metcalf presented Skousen's list in a column on worldnetdaily.com, archived at http://www.freedomtapeclub.com/geoff_metcalf.htm. Metcalf said "I could (and probably should) write separate columns on each of the following items in the subsequent list of 1958 Communist Goals. However, this information (and commentary) is not an event, but a process. Therefore, as an introduction (as I practice restraint) here is the Skousen 1958 laundry list/wish list of Communist goals. As you read these please note these were 1958 Communist goals. This is not another cyberspace urban legend. Florida Congressman A.S. Herlong Jr. entered this list into the Congressional Records in 1963.

[the_doc]

I should have closed the quotes at the end of my previous post. Metcalf made the entire statement in his column for WND.

It is interesting that you assumed that the list was an urban legend. Many people react this way. It's because the whole mess is unbelievable to most people.