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The Future is Muslim, European or American
Town Hall ^ | February 25, 2003 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 03/02/2003 1:18:31 PM PST by yonif

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To: Torie
I see. Well I predict that secular capitalism will triumph and the ersatz tricotomy to the showers.

Noted. I will stick with the Biblical prediction that all the world (Atheists and Islamists united) will attack "Israel" from the east,and that at the darkest hour God will strike down the hoardes and reign for a thousand years.

41 posted on 03/02/2003 2:27:38 PM PST by ez ("Stable and free nations do not breed ... ideologies of murder."- GWB)
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To: Mears
"Newton,Massachusetts."

Gateway to Brookline.

I live in Townsend, MA

42 posted on 03/02/2003 2:27:48 PM PST by bribriagain
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To: Clemenza
Israel is up there as well.
43 posted on 03/02/2003 2:49:11 PM PST by yonif
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To: LenS
Agreed. And don't forget the leader of Judeo-Christian ethics will be visiting the earth in the not so distant future and he has, shall we say, a few aces up his sleeve to tilt the balance of power back to where it belongs.
44 posted on 03/02/2003 3:02:12 PM PST by Vigilanteman
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To: dennisw; watchin; VOA; harpseal; timestax; xJones; justshutupandtakeit; TopDog2; ThomasMore; ...
This is the reason about one million non-Muslim Sudanese have been killed in the last 15 years -- because they are resisting the violent imposition of Islam by the Islamic government in Khartoum.

Islam-list

If people want on or off this list, please let me know.

45 posted on 03/02/2003 3:03:26 PM PST by knighthawk
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To: yonif
Hmmm, according to this expert Christianity is actually growing faster than Islam;

"But, argues Philip Jenkins recently in the Atlantic Monthly, Christianity is the religion currently undergoing the most basic rethinking and the largest increase in adherents. He makes a good case for its militancy most affecting the next century."

''For obvious reasons,'' notes this professor of history and religious studies at Pennsylvania State University, ''news reports today are filled with material about the influence of a resurgent and sometimes angry Islam. But in its variety and vitality, in its global reach, in its association with the world's fastest-growing societies, in its shifting centers of gravity, in the way its values and practices vary from place to place--in these and other ways, it is Christianity that will leave the deepest mark on the 21st century.''

(Christianity, not Islam, is faith to watch/ The Chicago Suntimes | 11/30/02 | DANIEL PIPES)

46 posted on 03/02/2003 3:03:51 PM PST by Jorge
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To: yonif
Great article.

Thanks for posting it.

CGTGOC
47 posted on 03/02/2003 3:16:53 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
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To: yonif
Though most people ignore the fact, almost all of the world's believing Muslims believe that all of mankind should be Muslim.

Hmmm. Don't an awful lot of Christians believe the same thing about Christianity?

Obviously, some followers of Islam present serious problems in our world today, but I am not convinced that there are not a good many moderate Muslims.

Islam, Christianity and Judaism are all branches of the same tree and worship the same God--a fact that Muslims are much more aware of than most Christians.

Painting all Muslims with the same brush is not at all constructive or helpful in my opinion.

48 posted on 03/02/2003 3:21:49 PM PST by cerberus
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To: x
. There are conflicts between Christianity and capitalism that may make the American synthesis hard to maintain.

Not really ---I don't see the conflicts when American culture brought about the highest standard of living for the most people. Christianity doesn't need to have most of the people living in dire poverty. The good old protestant work ethic wasn't such a bad thing ---and it didn't have to be just for protestants.

49 posted on 03/02/2003 3:22:59 PM PST by FITZ
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To: knighthawk; yonif
Bump to knowing the enemy . Good read !
50 posted on 03/02/2003 3:28:55 PM PST by Ben Bolt
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To: Jorge
Being Christian does not mean you are automatically in the American capitalist group. It can mean you are in the European socialist group. So an increase in Christianity is not necessarly mean an increase in favorite American capitalistic supporters.
51 posted on 03/02/2003 3:31:56 PM PST by yonif
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To: Torie
Secular humanism and capitalism are not mutually exclusive. Indeed, the latter is really needed to effect the ends of the former. It is an apples and oranges thingie. Mixing in nationalism and a Pavlovian hostility to international organizations merely leads one farther astray. This is one of those grand unified theories that lays an egg.

For mixed metaphors, this is a good one.

52 posted on 03/02/2003 3:42:19 PM PST by xJones
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To: yonif
The main problem is that few are willing to stand up and speak the truth about Islam.

So, without further delay...

Cheers...

54 posted on 03/02/2003 4:05:54 PM PST by Jay D. Dyson (I have no sense of diplomacy. I consider that a character asset.)
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To: cerberus
Well your first mistake is they don't all three worship the same God.
55 posted on 03/02/2003 4:06:32 PM PST by DB (©)
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To: DB
Thank you...I was pretty sure that was true, but not 100 percent.

AFAIK, Allah came to Mohammed in the desert in the middle of the night. Came like a thief in the night...

56 posted on 03/02/2003 4:10:06 PM PST by ez ("Stable and free nations do not breed ... ideologies of murder."- GWB)
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To: cerberus
Islam, Christianity and Judaism are all branches of the same tree and worship the same God--a fact that Muslims are much more aware of than most Christians

Not true. The moon god of Islam is nothing like the loving Creator worshiped by Christians. The Creator provided a Savior for fallen humanity, His own Son -- Allah is nothing like the One True God.

57 posted on 03/02/2003 4:14:13 PM PST by Theo
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To: cerberus
Islam, Christianity and Judaism are all branches of the same tree

seems you know very little about Islam ... try Surah 5:51 for starters ...
58 posted on 03/02/2003 4:16:50 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: yonif; *Clash of Civilizatio; *Geopolitics
Excellent piece!

OFFICIAL BUMP(TOPIC)LIST

59 posted on 03/02/2003 4:18:54 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Nuke Saddam and his Baby Milk Factories!!)
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To: cerberus
Islam, Christianity and Judaism are all branches of the same tree and worship the same God

oh, really? ... you might try reading a bit from the koran ... and then the Bible ... good grief ...

The Koran on Jews, Christians, Christianity, Christ, the Gospel, The Deity of Christ, the Holy Trinity, the Bible (the Book) and Infidels

http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/

"The Women" [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back,
then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

[3.85] "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."

[4.91] You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands,
then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given.you a clear authority.

The Dinner Table - [5.51] O you who believe!
do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

The Cattle - [6.146] And to those who were Jews We made unlawful every animal having claws, and of oxen and sheep We made unlawful to them the fat of both, except such as was on their backs or the entrails or what was mixed with bones: this was a punishment We gave them on account of their rebellion, and We are surely Truthful.

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away,
then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

The Congregation [62.6] Say: O you who are Jews, if you think that you are the favorites of Allah to the exclusion of other people, then invoke death If you are truthful. (PLEASE COMMIT SUICIDE)

The Cow - [2.111] And they say: None shall enter the garden (or paradise) except he who is a Jew or a Christian. These are their vain desires. Say: Bring your proof if you are truthful.

The Dinner Table - The Dinner Table [5.14] And with those who say, We are Christians, We made a covenant, but they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of, therefore We excited among them enmity and hatred to the day of resurrection; and Allah will inform them of what they did.

[5.72] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Marium; and the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust.

Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (Q. 2:191), to murder them and treat them harshly (Q. 9:123), slay them (Q. 9: 5), fight with them, (Q. 8: 65 ) even if they are Christians and Jews, humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax (Q. 9: 29). Quran takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tell clearly that no other religion except Islam is accepted (Q. 3: 85). It relegates those who disbelieve in Quran to hell (Q. 5: 11), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (Q. 9: 28). It orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Q. 2: 193).

"Fight those who do not profess the true faith [ISLAM], till they pay the jiziya with the hand of humility." - Koran 9: 29

"....
I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks [CUT OFF THEIR HEADS], and smite all their finger tips of them [CUT OFF THEIR FINGERS]." - Koran 8: 12

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Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate." - Koran 9: 73

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When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads [CUT OFF THEIR HEADS] and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly." - Koran 47: 4

"The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom...." - Koran 5: 33-34

" Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jiziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued." - Koran 9: 29

"....the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures." - Koran 98: 1-8

"Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: 'Taste the torment of the Conflagration!'" - Koran 22: 19-22, 23

"And burn ye him in the blazing fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits. This was he that would not believe in allah Most high and would not encourage the feeding of the indignant. So no friend hath he here this day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds. " - Koran 31-37

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and genitals cut off, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror." - Koran, 5:33-34)

"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." - Koran, 8:37

The God of Israel has a Son - Jesus Christ of Nazareth; but Allah has no son according to the Koran

Therefore the Biblical Christian God of Israel is not Allah

"They say: Allah has taken a Son (to Himself)! Glory be to Him: he is the Self-sufficient: his is what is in the heavens and what is in the Earth; you have no authority for this; do you say against Allah what you do not know? Say: Those who forge a lie against Allah shall not be successful." - Koran 10:68-69 [SAYS JESUS IS NOT THE SON OF GOD AND WHOEVER SAYS SO IS A LIAR]

"....the Christians call 'Christ the Son Of God'. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but intimate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth." - Koran 9: 30

The Women - [4.171] O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and his Word which he communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and his apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one god; far be It from his glory that he should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector. (CLEARLY STATES THAT JESUS IS **NOT** THE SON OF GOD)

The Immunity - Denial of Deity of Christ and His Messiahship - [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away! (MAY ALLAH DESTROY JEWS AND CHRISTIANS)

Say: "Praise be to Allah Who begets no son and has no partner in (His) dominion: nor (needs) he any to protect him from humiliation: Yea magnify him for his greatness and glory!" - Koran 17: 111

Further that he may warn those (also) who say "Allah hath begotten a son": - Koran 18: 4

It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that he should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When he determines a matter he only says to it "Be" and it is. - Koran 19: 35

They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous! - Koran 19: 88-89

For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that he should beget a son. - Koran 19: 92

No son did Allah beget nor is there any god along with Him: (if there were many gods) behold each god would have taken away what he had created and some would have lorded it over others! Glory to Allah (he is free) from the (sort of) things they attribute to Him! - Koran 23: 91

he begetteth not nor is he begotten; - Koran 112: 3

60 posted on 03/02/2003 4:20:16 PM PST by Bobby777
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