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Help Me Debate my Liberal Son-in-Law (Vanity)
self | 3-5-03 | WVNan

Posted on 03/05/2003 8:51:57 PM PST by WVNan

Below is a reply I received from my son-in-law after I sent him an e-mail that I felt justified the war with Iraq. I have written a reply but haven't mailed it yet. I would like some additional ammunition from Freepers. I'm sending him the article about the liberal woman in the British Parliament who is supporting Blair. She's been to Iraq and knows what is going on.

My points are: I was also afraid of kamakazi pilots in 1941 who would fly their planes into ships and perhaps into my home, but isn't it amazing how civilized they became under democracy. I didn't hear any angst over the bombing of Bagdad by clinton, or the bombing of Yugoslavia for no reason connected to our national interest. Evil exists and pretending it will go away will not make it so. Head in the sand and not rocking the boat for years has left the world in a god-awful mess and somebody has to take out the trash before it buries us all.


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To: WVNan
Reply #29 above explains things very nicely.

However, if after reading it your son-in-law is STILL having problems, ask him this: Just how long do you want to be my son-in-law?

hehehehe

41 posted on 03/05/2003 9:35:52 PM PST by jigsaw
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To: Busywhiskers
Does seem like an effort in futility doesn't it?
42 posted on 03/05/2003 9:37:15 PM PST by WVNan
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To: WVNan
NEVER TRY TO TEACH A PIG TO SING. IT JUST WASTES YOUR TIME AND IT REALLY ANNOYS THE PIG!
43 posted on 03/05/2003 9:39:55 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: Texas_Jarhead
Gen. George S Patton felt he had God on his side as did many other Americans leaders throughout history.

Faith doesn’t preclude common sense and inside information not given to those who’d blab and demagogue for political reasons our nation’s security. I have faith in someone who knows right from wrong…a long lost attribute of our leaders in recent history.

44 posted on 03/05/2003 9:40:41 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: WVNan
bump
45 posted on 03/05/2003 9:42:01 PM PST by KineticKitty
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To: WVNan
Simple...we should wait around for Hussien to attack once more before we react? This time it may be our nation, not Kuwait. Your best defense could be a good offense!!
46 posted on 03/05/2003 9:42:06 PM PST by God luvs America
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To: WVNan
I posted this before but I feel it is my best advice:

"Talking to you is like talking to my dog, except my dog sniffs my crotch."-Try that one. Don't forget, liberals have the base mentality of animals; therefore, they view their relationships in a lowly manner, like an animal. There hunger is like that of a starving rat, they lack the sustenance of spirituality. They search Eastern religions, yoga, Feng Shui, etcetera, ideas that fill (for a moment) the attention they have been unable to fulfill due to their desperate desire to be accepted. They’ve been beaten psychologically their whole lives by their awkward behavior, clownish beliefs, and disrespect for authority. This mindset of lowness can never be rid of until they accept that they behave incongruously. However, the liberal belief system (based on Marx, Gramsci, Kerouac, Chomsky, that chick that wrote Silent Season, Nader, Vidal, Vonnegut, Beaz, Castro, socialism, communism, lesbianism, etcetera) says to never admit that your wrong; mind you, these prophets never tell their disciples that they ultimately want to destroy capitalism.

In the end, fire a liberal if they work for you, or take away their income. Once they’ve struggled for awhile they’ll appreciate the realities of life and learn to love America. So, in summary, liberals are dogs that no matter what you do will sh!t on your rug, eat all of your food, and once in awhile bite your hand. So, treat them as animals.

47 posted on 03/05/2003 9:42:39 PM PST by Porterville (Screw the grammar, full posting ahead.)
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To: WVNan
Ask him why those who claim peace for the world are not concerned with humanity. Why are those who march not calling for the end of the rape, torture, starvation and murder of the Iraqi people? Why are those who demand there be no war are not demanding Saddam step down and allow his people to be free?

Ask him where the over 300 journalist are that disagreed with Saddam? There were either executed or just simply disappeared.

Ask him about the authors who spoke against Saddam or wrote books and poems suggesting another way of life for the Iraqi people and what happened to them. Those who Saddam has assigned the task torn page after page from the authors' books and stuff the pages down the authors' throats until they choked to DEATH.

Ask him if he would trade his life with that of a man in Iraqi? Would he do this? If not, why?

48 posted on 03/05/2003 9:42:44 PM PST by zeaal
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To: Theresa
That's what I said.LOL
49 posted on 03/05/2003 9:43:22 PM PST by WVNan
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To: WVNan
I'm tempted to send him your response. But then I would be in all kinds of trouble.

You have my permission to tone it down a bit. It probably doesn't matter what you say, he's already proven he isn't thinking logically about this. I don't think he can be convinced.

50 posted on 03/05/2003 9:44:28 PM PST by ProudGOP
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To: SkyPilot
Thank you for some facts.
51 posted on 03/05/2003 9:45:02 PM PST by WVNan
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To: Clint N. Suhks
"Faith doesn’t preclude common sense and inside information not given to those who’d blab and demagogue for political reasons our nation’s security. I have faith in someone who knows right from wrong…a long lost attribute of our leaders in recent history."

Ok I hear what you're saying but what is your point? I don't follow. What does the reference to inside information mean? WHo are you refering to with this, "blab and demagogue for political reasons our nation’s security". Please elucidate. Thanks.
52 posted on 03/05/2003 9:45:31 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Diddle E. Squat
You wouldn't believe how much like Meathead he is.
53 posted on 03/05/2003 9:47:06 PM PST by WVNan
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To: WVNan
All I know is that Germans aren't Arabs. Eurpoeans aren't Muslims. And 2003 isn't 1941. Germans don't/didn't strap bombs to their backs and blow themselves up in the name of God. Hitler was fighting a geo-political war. Arabs are fighting a holy war. Hitler never proclaimed to have God on his side. Arabs are convinced that God is on their side. And I've always said, be afraid of the man who *says* he has God on his side.

Take a look at Japan instead of Germany. Pay particular attention to State Shinto, the cult of the Emperor, their treatment of the Chinese, and the Kamikaze planes that you mentioned. 300,000 dead in Nanking, many killed in very sadistic ways. Yet the Japanese of 1941 are not the Japanese of today so young people forget what they were like.

That was a justified war. And there was no disputing that it was justified. Likewise, WWII was justified for the same reason. Had we invaded Germany first, everything would have been different. We must be careful to remember that hindsight is always 20/20.

Is he suggesting that if Japan hadn't attacked the US and Germany had never declared war that the US should have just stepped aside and let Germany have Europe and exterminate all of its Jews?

Could Hussein attack us if we don't take out his weapons of mass destruction? Yes. Would he attack us? Maybe. But you have to accept that there's at least the possiblity that he wouldn't.

Would he be willing to bet his family's life that Saddam won't attack? That's what he's doing. This is even more clear to those of use who live in the Northeast near the most likely targets.

We have every right to defend ourselves. I'm no dummy. But spin it any way you like, taking the offensive is not being defensive. It's a plain contradiction. And in matters of war, it makes all the difference.

If you see a man that looks like he may shoot another man, do you (A) pre-emptively diarm the man with the weapon or (B) wait until he shoots and then disarm him?

I'm concerned about Hussein as every right thinking human being ought to be. But what I'm *afraid* of are psychotic Arabs, enraged at the Great Satan's pre-emptive invasion of sacred Arab territory who might feel it is their holy duty to board an airplane with a plane ticket and a carpet knife.

We are already on sacred soil by being in Saudi Arabia. Indeed, that's what annoyed bin Laden in the first place. Too late.

What I'm afraid of os the deluded Muslim who might jump on a subway car with a gallon of gas and light it on fire.

That could happen, anyway. A two-bit cult in Japan decided to gas a subway with poison gas. Attacking Iraq will send an interesting message, if the Muslim world bothers to get it. Attacking the Americans only increases their involvement in the Middle East.

Am I right in being afraid of this? I don't know. I guess we could ask the Israelis and see what they think ...

The Israelis tried negotiating peace. Where did that get them?

I just don't see how invading Iran is going to reduce my fear of these things at all

Iraq. Iran is further down the list. And we'd probably be wecomed there, too. Indeed, I saw a quote by an Iranian that said, in essence, "I hope the US comes here next.

54 posted on 03/05/2003 9:48:04 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: jigsaw
Hey, I'm just thankful they live far away in N.C.
55 posted on 03/05/2003 9:48:11 PM PST by WVNan
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To: Dick Bachert
Ain't it the truth?
56 posted on 03/05/2003 9:49:09 PM PST by WVNan
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To: mass55th; WVNan
Ironically, the answer to your line of questions is yes, we were at war. We just hadn't engaged the enemy yet, he was engaging us.
57 posted on 03/05/2003 9:50:17 PM PST by Galway_Bay
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To: Porterville
Tell us how you really feel, LOL.
58 posted on 03/05/2003 9:51:23 PM PST by WVNan
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To: ProudGOP
Yes, I know you're right. I have kept quiet for years in the face of his and my daughter's liberal silliness and I've reached the point where I can hardly stand my own daughter, much less her husband. Any time I have ventured a contrary opinion they cop that superior condescending attitude. You know the one. I only have an M.Div. and years and years of compulsive reading, yet I don't know anything at all because I'm a Christian. That negates everything I know in their eyes.
59 posted on 03/05/2003 9:56:45 PM PST by WVNan
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To: Texas_Jarhead
What does the reference to inside information mean?

Sorry for my misunderstanding. I know the administration knows more than the public, more than Dashole, et al i.e. demagogues AKA the democraps, more than the press and has to sit on their intelligence so not to compromise their informants. I trust GWB; objectively he has more credibility than Clinton ever did.

60 posted on 03/05/2003 9:58:43 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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