Libertarianism = no widely agreed-upon and enforced moral standards = natural human impulse towards depravity takes over = widespread depravity and social breakdown = chaos = rise of iron-fisted tryant to restore order = totalitarianism = bloodbath.
See Revolution, French.
"Statesmen, my dear Sir, may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand. John Adams
"The only foundation of a free Constitution is pure Virtue, and if this cannot be inspired into our People in a greater Measure, than they have it now, they may change their Rulers and the forms of Government, but they will not obtain a lasting liberty." John Adams
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams
"Religion and virtue are the only foundations, not only of all free government, but of social felicity under all governments and in all the combinations of human society." John Adams
"The highest glory of the American Revolution was this; it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity. John Quincy Adams
"From the day of the Declaration...they (the American people) were bound by the laws of God, which they all, and by the laws of The Gospel, which they nearly all, acknowledge as the rules of their conduct." John Quincy Adams
"Man, considered as a creature, must necessarily be subject to the laws of his Creator, for he is entirely a dependent being....And, consequently, as man depends absolutely upon his Maker for everything, it is necessary that he should in all points conform to his Maker's will...this will of his Maker is called the law of nature. These laws laid down by God are the eternal immutable laws of good and evil...This law of nature dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times: no human laws are of any validity if contrary to this... Sir William Blackstone
"Blasphemy against the Almighty is denying his being or providence, or uttering contumelious reproaches on our Savior Christ. It is punished, at common law by fine and imprisonment, for Christianity is part of the laws of the land. Sir William Blackstone
"The preservation of Christianity as a national religion is abstracted from its own intrinsic truth, of the utmost consequence to the civil state, which a single instance will sufficiently demonstrate. Sir William Blackstone
"I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my verdict in its favor. I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition ever submitted to the mind of man. Alexander Hamilton
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here." Patrick Henry
"The Bible is worth all other books which have ever been printed." Patrick Henry
"Bad men cannot make good citizens. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience are incompatible with freedom." Patrick Henry
"It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains." Patrick Henry
"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers. John Jay
"Religion is the only solid basis of good morals; therefore education should teach the precepts of religion, and the duties of man toward God." Gouverneur Morris
"If thou wouldst rule well, thou must rule for God, and to do that, thou must be ruled by him....Those who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants." William Penn
"By removing the Bible from schools we would be wasting so much time and money in punishing criminals and so little pains to prevent crime. Take the Bible out of our schools and there would be an explosion in crime." Benjamin Rush
As we can see here, our founders did not endorse or embrace libertarianism in the least. Our Founders understood that laws must reflect Almighty God's Moral Precepts.
Libertarianism is a religion of self indulgence and hedonism. It teaches that the person can decide for himself what is right and wrong, and has to answer to no one.
It is humanistic to the core.
Libertarians believe abortion, homosexuality, fornication, adultery, sexual perversions, prostitution, drug use, gambling ect... are all things that should be practiced and enjoyed.
They hate and despise authority, and they blame government and laws for their problems.
GOD MAKES LAW. MAN's LAW MUST REFLECT GOD'S LAW.
Our Founders understood this principle. They had laws that protected the moral fabric of our nation, because they understood that a good nation must have morality. They took it for granted that the people were moral, that is why the constitution worked.
The hippies of the 1960's were not moral, their immoral/ammoral lifestyle is incompatable with the constitution.
If our founders had only known what we have become, they would have drafted a much different constitution.
Way back in 1815, The Pennsylvania Supreme Court decided an important case, here are excerpts from that case: It reflects the case law of the day, and the attitude on which our nation was founded.)
This court is...invested with power to punish not only open violations of decency and morality, but also whatever secretly tends to undermine the principles of society... Whatever tends to the destruction of morality, in general, may be punishable criminally. Crimes are public offenses, not because they are perpetrated publically, but because their effect is to injure the public. Buglary, though done in secret, is a public offense; and secretly destroying fences is indictable.
Hence it follows, that an offense may be punishable, if in it's nature and by it's example, it tends to the corruption or morals; although it not be committed in public.
Although every immoral act, such as lying, ect... is not indictable, yet where the offense charged is destructive of morality in general...it is punishable at common law. The destruction of morality renders the power of government invalid...
No man is permitted to corrupt the morals of the people, secret poision cannot be thus desseminated.
Remember:
"It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains."
America functions within a moral framework, meaningful only when attached to a Creator. To quote George Washington in his farewell address, where he warned his country against any attempt to build a moral framework apart from God:
"Of all disputations and habits that lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensible supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness-These finest props of duties of men and citizens...And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on the minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience, both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in the exclusion of religious principle."
And the framers of the Declaration of Independence certainly did NOT, when they referred to God, envision the theocracy of Islam, where religious belief is a compulsion.
Your premises are false.
In fact, I think that you intentionally misrepesent libertarian ideas of morality for the purpose of promoting your religeous view.
Lying for the cross is still lying.
This is why I think that you are intellectually dishonest.
1. the initiation of force and fraud are widely agreed upon by libertarians and most others as immoral- you know that, you've been around here long enough.
2.If humans are so depraved, how is it that the species still exists. Would'nt we have followed our natural inclinations to our doom by now?
Maybe people are neither all good nor all evil but have the capacity for each. If we need restraint imposed on us, why is the church or the state any more moral than a tyrant?
In my view, we should be pretty much left alone until and unless we do harm others through the initiation of force and fraud. Then and only then it is the duty of the state to intervene.
Your equation could also read: conservatism = enforced standards = punishing dissent = iron fisted tyrant = totalitarianism = bloodbath. Or as I have already heard leftist say conservatism = Taliban.
With the exception of a few regular posters on this site I would disagree that the conservative mindset is equivalent to the Taliban and I also disagree with your premise that libertarianism = no widely agreed upon and enforced moral standards. Laws against murder, assault, theft, fraud, trespassing etc. though limited still cover a lot of turf, enough to keep a society functional and civilized - especially a "multi-cultural" society. The wider universally held moral principles that you might believe in are only practical in a homogenous society or in a small tribe or clan because outside of those confines there is no agreement. The US is no longer homogenous. Furthermore the socialistic system we live under makes society less civil. As the reach of government grows the more it pits peoples against each other as they vie for official recognition, tax subsidized hand outs and advantage over other groups. Your argument is with leftist promoted social decay and with big government yet you see it as the fault of liberty and you fear liberty as you see it further unleashing this decay but fail to see how limiting government limits the power of the left, hence libertarianism solves the problems against which you rail.