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'The second Gulf war has already begun'
Scotland on Sunday ^ | March 9, 2003 | IAN MATHER

Posted on 03/08/2003 6:51:42 PM PST by MadIvan

JOSEPH Wilson, a former American ambassador to Iraq, was the last US official to talk to Saddam Hussein. He believes that the next Gulf War has already started.

For many of the British and American troops massing near Iraq, this is also the reality. Both in the air and on the ground, allied forces are going on military missions that have nothing to do with the long-standing policy of containment that the US and Britain have imposed on Saddam for 12 years and everything to do with the invasion of Iraq.

Last week, for the first time, US and British warplanes began attacking targets that are no threat to their patrols of the Iraqi no-fly zones.

Although the official purpose of the no-fly zones is to protect Shia Muslims in the south and Kurds in the north, the Americans and British attacked surface-to-surface missile batteries, which they say are in range of troops in Kuwait.

"Not only has the decision been made to launch this invasion of Iraq, but for all intents and purposes, a war has begun," says Wilson.

"The rules of engagement covering the two no-fly zones were historically that US aircraft would attack anti-aircraft batteries and their command and control centres if we were painted by their radars.

"Those rules of engagement have now been changed to attack surface-to-surface missile batteries. That is a far different approach. That’s an offensive action."

British officials say that the missiles are being attacked because Saddam Hussein is moving them to the southern part of the country to bring Kuwait and Saudi Arabia within range.

But the US and Britain have nearly tripled the number of air patrols in the no-fly zones with the purpose of masking the start of actual combat, according to US officials.

In accordance with US military doctrine, General Tommy Franks, the commander of US forces in the Gulf, is establishing an irregular pattern of flights over invasion routes in the south, making it more difficult for Iraqi air defenders to foresee a shift from air patrols to combat missions, officials say. At least 500 sorties a day are now being flown over southern Iraq.

The increase in sorties and their unpredictability is meant to preserve an element of surprise for unleashing a barrage of bombs and missiles 10 times as great as in the opening days of the 1991 Gulf War.

On the ground, too, the war has begun. Several thousand American, British and Australian special forces troops are already on missions inside Iraq, and are carrying out operations on a scale unprecedented since the Second World War. Among them are more than 300 SAS troops whose mission is to identify Iraqi troop positions and confirm that targets chosen from satellite images for the first wave of attacks in the air bombardment are what they look like from the air.

British Special Boat Service and US Navy Seals are also seeking out crossing points over the River Euphrates for the main invasion force that will head for Baghdad from Kuwait. There is concern that the Iraqis will blow bridges and destroy about 30 dams on the Euphrates and Tigris upstream from Basra, the target for the main British force.

Special forces teams are even examining sites for holding the thousands of Iraqi troops who are expected to surrender at the first opportunity. During the last Gulf War, hundreds of coaches were hired to drive captured Iraqis to camps in Saudi Arabia, from where they were eventually released. This time the prisoners will be held in remote parts of Iraq itself.

The scale of the special forces’ incursions, and their relative freedom of movement in Iraq’s western and southern desert, indicates that, in practice, a vast area of Iraq has already been taken by allied troops without a shot.

The US and Britain have amassed more than 300,000 troops in the region, and another 100,000 are expected.

US commanders have told George Bush that they are ready for the main attack. On Friday, General Sir Mike Jackson, Britain’s Chief of the General Staff, said on a visit to Kuwait that British forces would be ready to go to war in Iraq within days if necessary.

"There are, I think, two or three more ships. I would think that four or five days would pretty much complete the whole logistic piece." Britain is contributing 45,000 troops to the Gulf build-up, 25,000 of them in Kuwait.

More American forces are also on the way. Last week, families said sombre goodbyes to thousands of seamen aboard the Nimitz as the aircraft carrier left its base at Coronado, California on a mission that will bring it within striking distance of Iraq, bringing the number of American aircraft carriers in the region to six.

The war of words that will be familiar over the coming weeks started last week when US and British aircraft bombed a mobile surface-to-air missile system and an anti-aircraft artillery site in western Iraq.

Iraq claimed that the allied raid, about 240 miles west of Baghdad, had killed three civilians. This was denied by the US.

"This is yet another example of the Iraqi propaganda machine putting out absolute untruths," US Marine Captain Stewart Upton said at Central Command forward headquarters in Qatar. "The target was in fact a military target."

Asked how the US military would know that it had not killed civilians, Upton said: "Intelligence enables us to see the damage assessment in real time."

Earlier, Iraq claimed that six civilians had been killed and 15 wounded in an air raid near Basra. US officials denied that, too. "The next war in the south has begun," an Iraqi government spokesman said after the raid on Basra.

The final preparations for the main invasion force to enter Iraq are being made, some of them bordering on the surreal. Armed US Marines in civilian clothes were seen cutting holes in the fence between Kuwait and Iraq and making gates. The fence is in a demilitarised zone set up after 1991 and monitored by the UN. The UN mission said that seven gates, each one wide enough to accommodate a tank, had been built.

A UN spokesman, Fred Eckhard, said that peacekeepers had reported "numerous violations," in the past three days "by personnel in civilian clothes in 4x4 vehicles, at least some of whom were armed and identified themselves as US Marines".

The breach may violate the Security Council resolution that set up the zone, he said.

The psychological war has also begun. Every night, US planes drop hundreds of thousands of leaflets over Iraq. Many urge Iraqi troops not to use weapons of mass destruction, mine waterways or release oil into the Gulf.

"Saddam has poisoned your waterways before," said a message delivered for the first time last week. "You must not aid him in doing so again."

It referred to January 1991, in the first Gulf War, when Iraqi forces opened valves at Gulf oil terminals and spilled more than six million barrels. The Iraqis also set 650 Kuwait oil wells on fire.

"Do not use weapons of mass destruction," warned another leaflet. It threatened "swift and severe retribution", and said "unit commanders will be held accountable," an implied threat of war crimes charges.

The messages also appeal to foot soldiers. "Do not risk your life. Leave now and go home," said one leaflet last week. "Watch your children learn, grow and prosper."

The objectives of the US leafleting, radio broadcasting, e-mails and phone calls to Iraqi forces are varied. They include attempts to undermine loyalty to Saddam, dissuade the military from carrying out certain orders and convince Iraqis that deposing Saddam would improve their lives.

But not everything is going the way the US war commanders would prefer. The US is having to rethink its war plan for the northern front to take account of the Turkish parliament’s vote against allowing US troops to pass through Turkey into Iraq.

The original idea was for 20,000 American troops of the 4th Mechanised Infantry Division to invade Iraq from the north to keep a significant number of Iraqi Republican Guards pinned down protecting Saddam’s home town of Tikrit, secure the northern oil fields, and hold the northern approaches to Baghdad. That now looks impossible. Instead, airborne troops, such as the Parachute Regiment and the US 101st Airborne Division, may be parachuted in to secure the oil fields.

US and British Marines may be despatched from ships in the Gulf to seize airfields in the north, enabling the giant US C17 Galaxies to fly in the 40th Division with their tanks.

The Turkish government may ask parliament to vote again on allowing US troops through Turkey, but the Americans are not banking on it. The US is having better luck with the Saudis , although here, too, co-operation is far less than Washington would like. Officially, Saudi Arabia is refusing to allow US troops and planes based on its soil to take part in any war on Iraq, as they did in 1991. But in practice the Saudis have agreed to allow the US to fly refuelling aircraft, surveillance planes and battlefield radar aircraft from Saudi airfields.

The war preparations are not all on one side. Iraq is moving four divisions towards Baghdad, where tanks and artillery are taking up positions among civilian buildings, such as schools, hospitals and mosques. The city is gearing up for street-to-street fighting. The number of trenches and sandbagged gun positions has tripled in two weeks. Last week columns of men clad in white paraded through Baghdad, pledging to give their lives in suicide attacks on US troops. Saddam appears nightly on television to reassure Iraqis that the Americans will be no match in a ground battle, and feeding the notion that Iraqis fighting on home terrain will have an edge over their better-armed opponents.

At a televised meeting with infantry commanders, he described the aspects of a US aircraft carrier in the Gulf : a nuclear power station, a water desalination plant, nine storeys and 20,000 meals a day. "But does it have tyres to reach Baghdad? Certainly not. The one thing that will finally decide the battle is a soldier on his feet," he said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: blair; bush; gulf; iraq; saddam; uk; us; war; warlist
We don't need no stinking UN resolution, apparently. ;)

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 03/08/2003 6:51:42 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: mumbo; Siouxz; Otta B Sleepin; Mr. Mulliner; Semper911; Bubbette; Kip Lange; dixiechick2000; ...
Bump!
2 posted on 03/08/2003 6:51:56 PM PST by MadIvan (Learn the power of the Dark Side, www.thedarkside.net)
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To: MadIvan
Let's roll!!
3 posted on 03/08/2003 6:53:28 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion
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To: MadIvan
Good post, Ivan. Thank you.
4 posted on 03/08/2003 6:56:56 PM PST by Buffalo Head
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To: MadIvan
Uh, the first one NEVER ENDED.
Just like we're not waiting for a SECOND RESOLUTION.
The First Gulf War is still going on.
France merely wants a 19th resolution giving them more time so they can save TOTAL FINA's leases on the oil rigs.
Too bad.
5 posted on 03/08/2003 6:57:13 PM PST by dyed_in_the_wool (What's the frequency, Kenneth?)
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To: MadIvan
RACKKKKK US/UK/Aussie Smackdown Ivan

Cheerssss sweetie darlings

PATSY WE GOING TO WAR

Rack itttt
6 posted on 03/08/2003 6:59:52 PM PST by SevenofNine (Get ready for SMACKDOWN Saddam)
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To: MadIvan
This is a good article for the "why doesn't Bush do something" whiners who were all over the place after his presser the other nite.

I've said before that I believe the groundwork for invasion is already being done, and has been underway for months. And the only reason we haven't started major operations is because we aren't ready. I truly believe that Bush will go in when the proper preparations have been made, not a minute sooner, nor a minute later. In addtion, the current ops will make the "invasion" tremendously bloodless and quick.

(I also haven't given up the hope that Iran falls at the same time, but that is more wishful thinking.)

7 posted on 03/08/2003 7:00:53 PM PST by TomB
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To: TomB
By the time the UN gets thru fooling around and all the niceties are finished, the war will be over and we will have missed all those great shots of bombs. I am thinking there will be a hidden war, Saddam will go down and we can say there was never a war at all, but we will know it happened, under the radar. For some reason this tickles me pink!
8 posted on 03/08/2003 7:07:34 PM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: MadIvan
There is still something about putting a tank inside an airplane, and having the whole thing get off the ground, that amazes me. It always will too.
9 posted on 03/08/2003 7:09:44 PM PST by kylaka
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To: SevenofNine
"RACKKKKK US/UK/Aussie Smackdown Ivan/Cheerssss sweetie darlings/PATSY WE GOING TO WAR/Rack itttt..."

Wanna 'splane that?

And, to Nr. 7:
It's been going on for months now, reasonably, properly, and with forethought.
Good to see adults running the show.

10 posted on 03/08/2003 7:10:47 PM PST by norton
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To: MadIvan

The scale of the special forces’ incursions, and their relative freedom of movement in Iraq’s western and southern desert, indicates that, in practice, a vast area of Iraq has already been taken by allied troops without a shot.

Marshal Bush strikes again

11 posted on 03/08/2003 7:10:54 PM PST by The Wizard (Demonrats are enemies of America)
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To: MadIvan
It appears that some of the soldiers in IRAQ think it has started too..they ran for the kuwait border and surrendered according to Drudge
12 posted on 03/08/2003 7:13:51 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: The Wizard
Marshal Bush strikes again

Indeed. "Strategery" works every time it's tried.

Regards, Ivan

13 posted on 03/08/2003 7:14:44 PM PST by MadIvan (Learn the power of the Dark Side, www.thedarkside.net)
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To: kylaka

14 posted on 03/08/2003 7:15:00 PM PST by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: Miss Marple; Howlin; PhiKapMom
On the ground, too, the war has begun. Several thousand American, British and Australian special forces troops are already on missions inside Iraq, and are carrying out operations on a scale unprecedented since the Second World War. Among them are more than 300 SAS troops whose mission is to identify Iraqi troop positions and confirm that targets chosen from satellite images for the first wave of attacks in the air bombardment are what they look like from the air.

24/7 is about to happen but not on the Estrada nomination....

15 posted on 03/08/2003 7:16:32 PM PST by deport
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To: bonesmccoy
Even more amazing. I fly airplanes, but helecopters scare the Sh!t out of me. If any one of about 500 parts fails, the whole thing takes on all the flying qualities of a stone.
16 posted on 03/08/2003 7:22:38 PM PST by kylaka
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To: norton
I see you do not speak Seven of Ninish. Let me translate for you:

"Raackit" comes, I believe, from the Jim Rome sports site and denotes major props.
"Smackdown" is a term from the wrestling programs, meaning to take someone down quickly.
Aussie refers, of course, to the Australians and Ivan to the Brits, from MadIvan's nationality.
"Cheers sweety darlings" comes from the British show "Absolutely Fabulous", and Patsy wa one of the principal characters.

So, what this means is "All right! We are going to to war with the Aussies and the Brits! We are going to win big! Glad to have the Brits with us! "

Seven of Nine is one of my best friendds here, and she finds really good information on the foreign web sites. I like her language because it teaches me something that I didn't know, and it is very expressive!

17 posted on 03/08/2003 7:23:36 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: MadIvan
When the Iraqis know war is upon them, it will be over.
18 posted on 03/08/2003 7:23:44 PM PST by Spruce
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To: MadIvan
A UN spokesman, Fred Eckhard, said that peacekeepers had reported "numerous violations," in the past three days "by personnel in civilian clothes in 4x4 vehicles, at least some of whom were armed and identified themselves as US Marines".
How much you wanna bet we could get a few dozen Security Council resolutions tabled over this "overtly" offensive disreagard of international laws by the evil USA?

SCREW the UN. They were exactly what we thought; useless if not subversive apologists for terror-sponsoring states.

19 posted on 03/08/2003 7:26:17 PM PST by eccl1212
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To: TomB
There are going to be a lot of leftist wackos terribly disappointed if this war turns out to be relatively bloodless and rapid.
20 posted on 03/08/2003 7:28:01 PM PST by Republic (tommy daschle is a WEASEL OF MASS DISTORTION (tractorman)-so truthful, it almost HURTS!)
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To: MadIvan
We don't need no stinking UN resolution, apparently. ;)

I accept the double negative.

I do NOT accept your misspelling of STEENKEENG!
21 posted on 03/08/2003 7:32:02 PM PST by PatriotGames (AOOHGA! AOOHGA! CLEAR THE BRIDGE! DIVE! DIVE! WHOOSH!)
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To: Miss Marple; norton; SevenofNine
I see you do not speak Seven of Ninish.

LOL! I thought the same thing when norton asked her to explain.

Nice work on the translation (for the SevenofNine impaired).

Rack it!

22 posted on 03/08/2003 7:53:49 PM PST by Semper911 (For some people, bread and circus are not enough. Hence, FreeRepublic.com)
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To: kylaka
yes. "counter rotation" never had that appealing sound like "glide"
23 posted on 03/08/2003 8:02:59 PM PST by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: MadIvan
Patriot bump. (I'm feeling all patriotic and fuzzy after seeing Daryl Worley's new Support our Troops video on CMT, "Have you Forgotten?")
25 posted on 03/08/2003 8:29:00 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: Ciexyz
bttt
26 posted on 03/08/2003 8:32:03 PM PST by The Wizard (Demonrats are enemies of America)
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To: Ciexyz
We'll remember Turkey's lack of cooperation the next time they need help. We'll tell them we don't give a flying figaro.
27 posted on 03/08/2003 8:39:21 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: Ciexyz
By the time Turkeys figure out how to vote, it will be over!!

Let's Roll!

28 posted on 03/08/2003 8:59:47 PM PST by Leo Carpathian
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To: Miss Marple
YEAH Miss Marple you got it right

All Newbie freepers you could answer me anytimeee I know we have new members sign up on FR recently that is cool I give Smack chat 101 phases

once you get hang of it IT IS VERY easy


RACKKKKKKKKKKK US/UK Smackdown
29 posted on 03/08/2003 8:59:55 PM PST by SevenofNine (Get ready for SMACKDOWN Saddam)
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To: MadIvan
This ain't no party,
This ain't no disco,
This ain't no foolin' around....
30 posted on 03/08/2003 9:07:04 PM PST by P.O.E. (God Bless and keep safe our troops.)
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To: Spruce
They won't even hear the "click".
31 posted on 03/08/2003 9:11:31 PM PST by PeteyBoy (The best part of waking up--is waking up.)
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To: All
God bless the troops. Put a little hate in your hearts ladies and gents and go get the job done. Remember that you're defending liberty and aquit yourselves with honor.

Godspeed and God Bless America!

32 posted on 03/08/2003 9:48:01 PM PST by America's Resolve ("We have prepared for the unbelievers, whips and chains and blazing fires!" Koran 76:4)
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To: MadIvan; Miss Marple; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Dog; Dog Gone; Travis McGee; Squantos; hchutch; ...
The scale of the special forces’ incursions, and their relative freedom of movement in Iraq’s western and southern desert, indicates that, in practice, a vast area of Iraq has already been taken by allied troops without a shot.

Sounds like Miss Marple's Stealth President, GW, has been in action again.

Apparently most of Northern Iraq has been taken without a shot.

33 posted on 03/08/2003 10:17:00 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: Grampa Dave; *war_list; W.O.T.; 11th_VA; Libertarianize the GOP; Free the USA; knak; MadIvan; ...
Thanks for the ping!

Guess the War starts when we go after the Bagdad airport!

OFFICIAL BUMP(TOPIC)LIST

34 posted on 03/08/2003 10:35:46 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The voices of the 30s are echoing through 2003 - Alistair Cooke)
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To: Grampa Dave
I was already going to highlight that line as the most important in the story.

I expect that our specops units, with free Iraqi guide-translators, have already made liason with many Iraqi mayors, military unit commanders etc. Deals may have already been struck, for example, cash payments for the safe delivery of intact bridges.

35 posted on 03/08/2003 10:36:04 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Grampa Dave
Bump!
36 posted on 03/08/2003 10:38:57 PM PST by Aracelis
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To: Travis McGee
Apparently, there ain't too many loyal Iraqis in Northern Iraq and haven't been for months.

Do you miss all of this and in particuliar the deals that our spec ops and the SAS are making with the Iraqis who hated Saddamn?
37 posted on 03/08/2003 10:47:23 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: Piltdown_Woman
The fence is in a demilitarised zone set up after 1991 and monitored by the UN. The UN mission said that seven gates, each one wide enough to accommodate a tank, had been built.

I propose a new UN resolution be adopted praising our valuable improvements to this fence since we all know good fences make good neighbors ROFLMAO

38 posted on 03/08/2003 10:47:28 PM PST by Steven W.
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To: MadIvan
US and British Marines may be despatched from ships in the Gulf to seize airfields in the north, enabling the giant US C17 Galaxies to fly in the 40th Division with their tanks.

Yes, Ivan, time to roll, but one small point. A C-5 is a Galaxy, a C-17 is a Globemaster.

39 posted on 03/08/2003 10:48:38 PM PST by Mark17
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To: MadIvan
one breached Iraqi Gulf War cease fire treaty beats four weasels in the UN any day of the week!
40 posted on 03/08/2003 10:52:54 PM PST by Steven W.
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To: Grampa Dave
I only wish! I never did anything half as interesting as what I have no doubt is going on today in Iraq and Afghanistan.
41 posted on 03/08/2003 10:53:38 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
After Afghanistan and what is coming up next, our spec ops people will be worth their weight in diamonds to any Military commander.
42 posted on 03/08/2003 11:08:58 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: MadIvan
"Every night, US planes drop hundreds of thousands of leaflets over Iraq."

This blatant U.S. disregard for international anti-litter laws must stop immediately!

43 posted on 03/08/2003 11:17:37 PM PST by etcetera
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To: blondee123
ping
44 posted on 03/08/2003 11:55:39 PM PST by TexKat
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To: MadIvan
A few weeks back, articles predicted a "rolling start."

Cutting holes in the fences may serve the dual purposes of letting our tanks into Iraq, and letting Iraq's troops scurry out to surrender.

So called "shock and awe" will probably come, too.

Everybody knows the UN has abdicated responsibility for enforcement of res. 1441. While the diplomats make speeches, the coalition of the willing is preparing, and getting a rolling start.
45 posted on 03/09/2003 1:31:50 AM PST by truth_seeker
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To: Grampa Dave


46 posted on 03/09/2003 3:58:16 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye Saddam! / Check out my Freeper site !: http://home.attbi.com/~freeper/wsb/index.html)
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To: MadIvan
"Those rules of engagement have now been changed to attack surface-to-surface missile batteries..."

About stinkin' time. The No-Fly Zone meant Iraq surrendered their air superiority. They never were supposed to have batteries in those areas by the UN sanctions.

47 posted on 03/09/2003 4:03:20 AM PST by Cvengr
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To: MeeknMing
I love the Graphic - Let's Roll!
48 posted on 03/09/2003 6:27:49 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The voices of the 30s are echoing through 2003 - Alistair Cooke)
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To: MadIvan
Last week, for the first time, US and British warplanes began attacking targets that are no threat to their patrols of the Iraqi no-fly zones.

Last week!? Hell, they've been doing for at least 6 months now. Where has this guy been?

49 posted on 03/09/2003 6:33:22 PM PST by Spiff
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To: Miss Marple
Cockney for Televiewers?
50 posted on 03/09/2003 8:04:14 PM PST by norton
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