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Watching anti-war protests with pain (By an Iraqi Doctor who's witnessed Sadaam's handiwork)
Chicago Tribune ^ | March 9, 2003 | Adil Awadh

Posted on 03/09/2003 5:26:36 AM PST by SJackson

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To: E.G.C.
And just to eleboarate on the point of war. When presidents declare war, it's most appropaite to do so when your National Security is at stake. Not neccessarily when your political future is at risk or some people are punished for their political opposition, Now, this is what's happening in Zimbabwe. Yes, some people there are bieng punished for political opposition, in fact there have been some cases where rape is being used as a political tool. But as of yet that we know of, this country poses no National Security risk. It may somewhere down the line but it doesn't now so President Bush did the appropaite by issuing sanctions against this country.

Iraq is a whole different ballgame. Like Zimbabwe political dissent is also punished but also WMD's which pose a threat to this country are being gathered up so this case is the most approaite for war.

The wars that happened during the Clinton administration were not for valid National Security purposes. They were timed to cover up the sleazy, unethical and impeachable actions that happened during that administration .

But you never saw that addressed didn't you. You know why? Because the only wars the anti-war crowd protest are wars initiated by Republican administrations.

So, the bottom line here is the people protesting the pending war with Iraq or many of them are only doing so because they don't like who's in the White House right now. If Clinto or a Democrat were in there, things might be different.

When all is said and done, the National Security problem will go away and the Iraqis will no longer live in fear of a brutal dictator. They will have a free and representative form of goverment running the country just like we do.

That should be something for every country to strive for, not some brutal dictator like Saddam who punishes political dissent.
Regards.

61 posted on 03/09/2003 12:44:48 PM PST by E.G.C.
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To: E.G.C.
For my Profile Page... Did you even read about what the Pedal in Peace is all about and for? Go check out the site as to what I am doing.

You still dont get it or understand. I abhor Saddam and wish him ousted, dead or alive. So long as he does not pose a threat to the American people AND to the Serbian people, or to anyone else for that matter.

I know he has tortured, maimed and killed innocent people for his personal agenda. I like to bring the hypocrasy up of some of the Administrations decision making. Where was this outcry when the Admin supported the known Terrorists/KLA in Kosovo and Bosna? You realize that the Jihad in Bosna are still operating with free impunity? I am sure some zealot SOC'ers know there 6 at all times, for their own safety.

62 posted on 03/09/2003 1:05:45 PM PST by smokegenerator (www.pedalinpeace.org ---- Serbian Cycling Challenge for the Children of Serbia)
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To: smokegenerator
Well, as much as I would like to see our military used to make dictators behave themselves, and believe me I do, but that's not really what our military is there for.

What our military is there for is our National Security so that we can have a safe nation like this one.

And I might add that I live in a region of the country that is rich in military activity. Ft. Sill, Altus Air Force Base and Shepard Air Force Base.

The Kosovo and Bosnia deals as far as I know have nothing to do with National Security. These are groups that just don't get along very well. It's something that's been going for decades and bringing the military in has only served to excerbate things.
Regards.

63 posted on 03/09/2003 1:14:24 PM PST by E.G.C.
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To: E.G.C.
and by bringing them in has made or will make them a target of opportunity eventually by the local Jihad they so elagantly put into power. Then when that happens, it becomes a National Security issue, as the US corporate contracts are under a viable economic threat.
64 posted on 03/09/2003 1:20:26 PM PST by smokegenerator (www.pedalinpeace.org ---- Serbian Cycling Challenge for the Children of Serbia)
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To: smokegenerator
as I would have never supported the Tali's like the US did in their fight against the Northern Alliance.

Your understanding of recent history is faulty. The US never supported the Taliban against the Northern Alliance (though there are some NA people who would say that we didn't do enough for them before 9/11, but that's not the same thing as supporting the Taliban).

In fact, the US had the Taliban on a "terrorist nations" list long before 9/11, and never recognized them as the legitimate government of Afghanistan. (We recognized the Northern Alliance, again long before 9/11.) The Taliban were created and propped up by the Pakistani ISI and Saudi Arabia, not the US.

(I know that comes as a shock to you, because you'd like to blame America for everything, but -- incredibly -- some things are not our fault.)

65 posted on 03/09/2003 1:22:20 PM PST by Campion
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To: SJackson
Fox News has a woman Dr on now with pictures and interview talking about how badly Iraqi/Kurd women are treated....
66 posted on 03/09/2003 1:25:01 PM PST by BossLady (ChIRAQ & Saddam sitting in a tree.....K.I.S.S.I.N.G...)
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To: BossLady
She just read from the Iraqi constitution signed by Hussein that any woman who is related to you (a man) will not be prosecuted if he kills a woman in an 'honor killing'.

She says also Hussein hides the WOMD in neighboring countries....

67 posted on 03/09/2003 1:29:40 PM PST by BossLady (ChIRAQ & Saddam sitting in a tree.....K.I.S.S.I.N.G...)
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To: Campion; Destro
Destro- do you have the links for the belowmentioned on the illicit alliance between the Taliban and the US from the mid-90's?

campion writes:
Your understanding of recent history is faulty. The US never supported the Taliban against the Northern Alliance (though there are some NA people who would say that we didn't do enough for them before 9/11, but that's not the same thing as supporting the Taliban).

In fact, the US had the Taliban on a "terrorist nations" list long before 9/11, and never recognized them as the legitimate government of Afghanistan. (We recognized the Northern Alliance, again long before 9/11.) The Taliban were created and propped up by the Pakistani ISI and Saudi Arabia, not the US.

68 posted on 03/09/2003 1:34:14 PM PST by smokegenerator (www.pedalinpeace.org ---- Serbian Cycling Challenge for the Children of Serbia)
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To: smokegenerator
Well, the problem here is that this matter has been a decades old clash of the cultures that has had numerous rounds of violence and no matter how much we try to affect things, it's not going to change.

And as much as I hate to throw cold water on your activities and Yes I've visited your web site and it's a laudable deal, but let's face it. There never going to be any peace whatsoever between the serbs and the croats and by interfering in this battle it will only serve to excaserbait things.

Even a lot of the other freepers realize this too. Even if one dictator is replaced it will be with another one who would be just as bad or even worse.

It's a no win situation and I'm just not real sure that our National Security would be at risk as I don't have any knowledge of WMD's or terrorist acts threatened to happen to us from any of these groups.

Now, I may be wrong but these culture battles that I see have nothing to do with Osama or Saddam or anything with our country.
Regards.

69 posted on 03/09/2003 1:48:48 PM PST by E.G.C.
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To: smokegenerator
can you tell me that you would trust the Iranians

Yes; there are many Persians (which is what they prefer to be called) who escaped from Iran when the Shah was ousted and the extremists took over. I even knew the Shah's family....they were our clients when I worked in LA. And while living in LA, I met Persian doctors, architects, and "average Joe" Persians. They are a very hospitable people, kind, and thoughtful. They have a different upbringing than I, different customs than I prefer, especially as relates to men/women, however, these were hard-working, honest men and women, good people. Yes, I would trust non-extremists Persians (whom the world calls Iranians). I do not trust any fanatics from any country, regardless of their religion. Fanatacism is a major problem in every country, in every religion.

70 posted on 03/09/2003 5:11:35 PM PST by nicmarlo (** UNDER GOD **)
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