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"Cluster Document" aka UNRESOLVED DISARMAMENT ISSUES (Blix's 173 page report)
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Posted on 03/10/2003 7:10:33 AM PST by Big Otto

UNMOVIC Working document 6 March 2003 UNRESOLVED DISARMAMENT ISSUES IRAQ’S PROSCRIBED WEAPONS PROGRAMMES 6 March 2003

go here for the whole enchilada - very interesting reading!! http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/documents/UNMOVIC%20UDI%20Working%20Document%206%20March%2003.pdf

(Excerpt) Read more at unmovic.org ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: blix; iraq; unmovic
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1 posted on 03/10/2003 7:10:33 AM PST by Big Otto
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To: Big Otto
Cluster is the right word to describe the UN....
2 posted on 03/10/2003 7:20:24 AM PST by The_Victor
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To: The_Victor
Wrong --

Cluster is only half of the words!
3 posted on 03/10/2003 7:23:22 AM PST by Big Otto
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To: Big Otto
Cluster is only half of the words

SO, Gunny Highway, what is your assessment of this exercise

Frankly sir, It's a Cluster ****!!!!

4 posted on 03/10/2003 7:26:12 AM PST by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: Big Otto
hmmm not opening for me
5 posted on 03/10/2003 7:35:08 AM PST by finnman69 (!)
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To: Big Otto
Regarding the missing 550 Mustard filled 155-mm projectiles, UNMOVIC has been unable to resolve the status of these items and remains concerned due to their probable military utility.
6 posted on 03/10/2003 7:39:06 AM PST by maquiladora
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"There is a clear contradiction in Iraq’s explanation of its development of spray tanks. Iraq has maintained that it started its development work by producing a spray tank for biological agents and has denied that it had developed a similar system for chemical agents. This explanation is contradicted by a letter dated 10 December 1990 from the Director General of MSE to the Deputy Director of the Military Industrialization Commission (MIC), a copy of which was given to UNSCOM by Iraq to support a different matter relating to VX. The letter, however, also contains a reference to the stockpiling of Mustard agent for a successfully tested aircraft spray system. This indicates that also had a well-developed drop-tank for chemical agent. By the date of the letter, 10 December 1990, it is also clear that the CW drop-tank was developed before the BW drop-tank. Therefore, Iraq’s further explanation that the reference in the letter to Mustard agent was associated with BW drop-tanks cannot be correct.

The conclusion therefore drawn from the MSE letter is that, by December 1990, Iraq had a design for a separate device capable of spraying Mustard agent. The specifications of this CW delivery device, for example whether it was based on a modified Mirage drop-tank or other spraying device, are unknown to UNMOVIC. It is known that Iraq had tested different types of aerial spray or other devices capable of disseminating Mustard agent. Given that the group that had successfully developed the CW spraying device was later engaged in the modification of the BW drop-tank, the likelihood of success of that project was greatly increased. The development of tanks for CW and BW uses should not be considered as two separate projects but rather as one continued project.

Iraq’s assertion that it was unable to modify 12 drop-tanks for BW purposes because of a shortage of valves is contradicted by a letter dated 25 August 1991 from the Department of Aeronautical Engineering to Al Muthanna. The letter requests the return of unused valves, thus indicating that such components had not been in short supply as claimed by Iraq. It is therefore possible that additional tanks were modified. While Iraq has provided documents showing that, as of July 1991, it had at least three modified BW drop-tanks, they do not address the prototype drop-tank. Since no remnants of the prototype tank have been found, it has not been possible to verify its destruction. Spraying devices modified for CBW purposes may still exist in Iraq. A large number of drop tanks of various kinds, both imported and locally manufactured, are available and could be modified. Since spraying devices are an efficient means of disseminating CBW agents, and since Iraq declared continued research after January 1991, it is likely to have been a high priority in the CBW program.

Although Iraq’s September 1997 BW FFCD referred to the MiG-21 RPV project as intended for the delivery of a munition, in earlier declarations and in discussion, Iraq stated that the project was for the delivery of BW agent from a modified Mirage drop tank. The use of a Mirage drop tank on a MiG aircraft, although possible, would pose considerable aviation engineering problems. Given its payload and range, the MiG-21 RPV could have been intended for the delivery of either CW or BW agents. In addition, the spray system would have most likely have been based on a MiG-21 fuel tank as opposed to the fuel tank of a Mirage F-1. Given that Iraq had already successfully conducted spraying of Mustard from planes, it is possible that it was a MiG system that had been used in the tests and that the RPV project was an extension of this programme. Further information is required to determine the extent and the objectives of the project and whether it was terminated in April 1991 as declared by Iraq.

Work on another aircraft, the L-29 jet trainer, to convert it to a RPV started in November 1995 and continued until at least 2000. The L-29, although smaller and less capable than the MiG, could still be used to deliver CBW agent in quantities that would pose a significant threat to neighbouring countries. Iraq has declared that the work on the L-29 has stopped but that work continues on smaller RPVs. Iraq has also declared in its BW CAFCD a number of smaller RPVs that are capable of carrying a payload of up to 20 kilogrammes to a range of less than 30 kilometres. This payload could represent a significant biological payload if dry agent is used. Of concern is the more general question of Iraq’s intentions with respect to RPVs as CBW delivery systems and the relationship to the spray tank development. Iraq has also declared in its Missile CAFCD two other RPVs, both capable of a 100 kilometre range with a designed payload of 30 kilogrammes. With respect to aerosol generators, the modified crop duster Iraq developed had potential as a BW dissemination device. There are many agricultural aircraft spray systems in Iraq. These units are identical to the devices that were modified for BW dissemination. In addition, components imported for these or other spray devices were available in Iraq in 2003. Modified aircraft fuel tanks were found at Khan Bani Sa’ad Airfield in December 2002. These tanks were stated to have been part of an indigenously manufactured agricultural spray system that was stated to have been produced by the Air Force. The expertise gained in the development of the generators and the evidence of “parallel” work on a similar device that was not declared, is of some concern. Iraq should provide additional information regarding its efforts to develop spraying devices and delivery systems for CBW agents. This should include an account of the development of the successfully tested CW spray device, the numbers produced, technical details of the system such as flow rates, dissemination efficiencies, and the number and designs of venturis, nozzles and valves. If any modified spray devices remain they should be destroyed if they are found to have been intended for CBW purposes. In addition, Iraq should provide information on the management and organizational structure of the MiG-21 project, its place in the CBW programmes and the concepts of use of the weapon. "


7 posted on 03/10/2003 7:42:09 AM PST by maquiladora
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This is the report that we've been hearing about with all the smoking guns in it! It's full of shockers:

"The involvement of the Muthanna State Establishment (MSE) Iraq’s main CW production facility, with the Al Noaman factory in the development and testing of special (chemical or biological) sub-munitions, confirm Iraq’s interest in cluster bombs. Video evidence from the Haidar Farm suggests that Iraq was modifying existing munitions to be compatible with the locally made cluster bombs. In particular, Iraq used elements from the 122-mm special warheads to produce sub-munitions for the cluster bomb. From early 1987 to mid-1988, Muthanna continued with the development and testing of various components of 122-mm warheads including an all-way fuse and an aluminium casing. Iraq tested the fuse and dispersion pattern by dropping the 122-mm canisters from an aircraft and a crane. A component of such a sub-munition was found at the Al Noaman Factory in February 2003."

8 posted on 03/10/2003 7:45:49 AM PST by maquiladora
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To: Big Otto
So is this the 173 page report that all the newspapers have seen, but no one has reported on?
9 posted on 03/10/2003 7:46:00 AM PST by js1138
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To: js1138
Yep, all 173 pages of it.

There's so much stuff in it, it's hard to grasp it all. But it's here, about the cluster bombs, the sprayers, the missiles...everything.

10 posted on 03/10/2003 7:52:15 AM PST by maquiladora
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To: Big Otto
The rationale for Iraq’s WMD programmes has been said to be the existence of Israel’s arsenal and WMD capabilities. A

Didn't take 'em long to get to that point. Page 7.

MM

11 posted on 03/10/2003 8:00:09 AM PST by MississippiMan
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To: maquiladora
So Blix produced an actual report that show some level of honesty and competence, and gave a speech to the assembly that contradicts his own report.

The really interesting thing is why the press is silent. If this were embarrassing to Bush it would be all over the front pages.

12 posted on 03/10/2003 8:04:34 AM PST by js1138
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To: finnman69
Click on the UNMOVIC link, then on the right-hand column there's a link to "Cluster Document", a PDF file
This is the infamous 167 page report that FOX is talking about that Blix didn't share last weekend.

Maybe some helpful soul could fix up the link??
13 posted on 03/10/2003 8:09:44 AM PST by Big Otto
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To: Big Otto

Blix must resign


14 posted on 03/10/2003 8:13:14 AM PST by The Wizard (Demonrats are enemies of America)
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To: commish
Yup, that is just what it is, and here's the math: cluster report + cluster bomb missles = cluster f**k!
15 posted on 03/10/2003 8:16:24 AM PST by Texan5
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To: Big Otto
Thanks for the post. bump and bookmarked
16 posted on 03/10/2003 8:27:26 AM PST by Valin (Age and deceit beat youth and skill)
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To: Big Otto
Blix is on Saddam's payroll, I don't know what other explantion there could be for this.

MKM

17 posted on 03/10/2003 8:45:20 AM PST by mykdsmom ( "He who will not use his freedom to preserve his freedom does not deserve his freedom.")
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To: Big Otto
Here is the link to the Actual PDF Document:

Blix Unclassified Final Report

18 posted on 03/10/2003 8:48:19 AM PST by PhiKapMom (Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US)
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To: The Wizard
This is *nuts*. Check out the list: (Sorry for the crappy formatting)
CLUSTERS OF UNRESOLVED DISARMAMENT ISSUES
CONTENTS
I. MISSILE CLUSTERS...................................................................................21
a. Scud type missiles........................................................................................21
b. SA-2 Missile Technology............................................................................27
c. Research and development (R&D) on ballistic missiles capable of proscribed ranges.............................................................................................................31
d. FROG (Luna) Special Warheads.................................................................35
e. Development of solid propellant missile systems before and after the Gulf War.................................................................................................................37
II. MUNITIONS AND OTHER DELIVERY MEANS, CLUSTERS............41
a. Scud-type Biological and Chemical Warheads...........................................41
b. R-400 and R-400A Bombs...........................................................................45
c. Major Aerial Bombs....................................................................................49
d. Major Rockets and Artillery Projectiles......................................................53
e. Spray devices and Remotely Piloted Vehicles............................................57
f. Other Chemical and Biological munitions..................................................63
III. CHEMICAL CLUSTERS.........................................................................67
a. Tabun...........................................................................................................67
b. Sarin and Cyclosarin....................................................................................71
c. Mustard........................................................................................................75
d. VX................................................................................................................79
e. Major Chemical Process Equipment............................................................85
f. Soman...........................................................................................................89
g. BZ Analogues (psychoactive compounds)..................................................93
IV. BIOLOGICAL CLUSTERS.....................................................................95
a. Anthrax.........................................................................................................95
b. Botulinum Toxin..........................................................................................99
c. Mycotoxins: Aflatoxin and Trichothecenes..............................................103
d. Wheat cover smut.....................................................................................107
e. Clostridium perfringens............................................................................111
f. Ricin..........................................................................................................115
g. Undeclared BW agents.............................................................................117
h. Drying of BW Agents...............................................................................119
i. Bacterial BW agent production.................................................................123
j. Genetic Engineering and Viral Research..................................................127
k. BW Agent Simulants................................................................................

Saddam has had 12 years to destroy this stuff. How can any liberal say that he doesn't have WMD after they told GW to go to the UN, and then this is what they found.

OUTRAGEOUS!
19 posted on 03/10/2003 8:52:05 AM PST by mikenola
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To: PhiKapMom
Is anyone else having trouble opening this document? All I see is a blank page....
20 posted on 03/10/2003 8:52:12 AM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance
It comes up for me -- takes a long time for it to load the first time! PDF is not the fastest system in the world. The link I posted should take you right to the document.

21 posted on 03/10/2003 8:55:22 AM PST by PhiKapMom (Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US)
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To: Indy Pendance
The link works fine as long as you have Adobe Acrobat installed. The UN server is fairly fast. You can also download the PDF by right-clicking the link and choosing Save Target As.

The document is 1.42 megs. About 5-6 minutes on a 56K modem. You should see the first pages start to load in about 20-30 seconds after you see the toolbar change to that of Acrobat Reader.
22 posted on 03/10/2003 9:10:41 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Big Otto
Page 15 paragraph 1.
23 posted on 03/10/2003 9:10:42 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA
oops page 14
24 posted on 03/10/2003 9:14:07 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: PhiKapMom
Hi Mom......so Blixy is up to it to his eyeballs huh??

This is worse than I thought.....

25 posted on 03/10/2003 9:18:22 AM PST by Dog (Courage is being scared to death... and saddling up anyway. ~John Wayne)
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To: Dog
Good Morning from CST!

It sure is worse than I thought too! I thought we only had one Smoking Gun but now it seems there are two Smoking Guns.

Did you hear Powell yesterday morning on Tony Snow's show? I thought he gave Blix too much of a pass!
26 posted on 03/10/2003 9:19:54 AM PST by PhiKapMom (Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US)
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To: George W. Bush
I have a cable modem and it downloaded in seconds. I figured it was better to save in case it disappears off the UN website!
27 posted on 03/10/2003 9:21:01 AM PST by PhiKapMom (Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US)
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To: Big Otto
thanks otto, been waiting for this one all weekend!
28 posted on 03/10/2003 9:22:48 AM PST by knak (kelly in alaska)
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To: Big Otto

Read THis Now!

Page 76 (+/-) Iraq produced 3950 Tons of Chemical Weapons from 1972 to 1980!

Not pounds, TONS!


29 posted on 03/10/2003 9:23:25 AM PST by MindBender26 (.....and for more news as it happens...stay tuned to your local FReeper station....)
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To: PhiKapMom
Good morning from alaska too. Glad to see the UN finally released this thing! Who knows what else is buried in it.
30 posted on 03/10/2003 9:28:57 AM PST by knak (kelly in alaska)
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To: PhiKapMom
Absolutely, save it before it disappears.

We learned the hard way with some of the data re the Oregon forest fires and whacko enviral policies that set up the fires. Their policies/tactics/strategies that created the fire masses, just disappeared from the web sites.
31 posted on 03/10/2003 9:31:11 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: George W. Bush
I downloaded it and it still is telling me an error occurred.
32 posted on 03/10/2003 9:33:43 AM PST by knak (kelly in alaska)
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To: knak
I saw on the news last night that you are having an unusually warm winter with not much snow! There are days you have been warmer than we have in Oklahoma!

I am also wondering what they found that they didn't even bother to report on?

33 posted on 03/10/2003 9:34:32 AM PST by PhiKapMom (Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US)
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To: George W. Bush; finnman69; PhiKapMom
I loaded the most current version of adobe and works just fine. Thanks all for your suggestions.
34 posted on 03/10/2003 9:34:33 AM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Big Otto
Iraq has not declared the development of any UAV. However, it has declared that it developed during the past few years, two new RPVs with a range of 100 kilometres (see below). The stated design goal for one of the RPV’s, designated by Iraq as “RPV-20”, was to create a drone with an endurance of one hour that had an autonomous system for guidance and control with GPS navigation. Recent inspections have also revealed the existence of a drone with a wingspan of 7.45 metres that has not been declared by Iraq. Officials at the inspection site stated that the drone had been test flown. Further investigation is required to establish the actual specifications and capabilities of these RPV’s and whether Iraq has UAV/RPVs that exceed the 150 kilometers limit.
35 posted on 03/10/2003 9:35:04 AM PST by OXENinFLA (Just Damn!)
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To: mikenola
Thanks for going to the trouble to format and post this for us.

No wonder President Bush looked so concerned last week in his press conference.

He was being accused of rushing to war by the left wing reporters and that their cash cow Uncle Soddomite was really a nice guy. As he had to stand there be verbally attacked by these left wing scum bags, he knew about this grim reality.

Of course the Clintoons knew about this in 1998/99 and fired a few cruise missiles at some tents and camels.
36 posted on 03/10/2003 9:35:19 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: Grampa Dave
You are so right! You have to download documents the minute you found them because when you go back you just might find page has expired!
37 posted on 03/10/2003 9:35:31 AM PST by PhiKapMom (Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US)
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To: knak
Try loading the most current version of adobe.
38 posted on 03/10/2003 9:35:47 AM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance
ok, I'll try it thanks!
39 posted on 03/10/2003 9:38:10 AM PST by knak (kelly in alaska)
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To: js1138
The American Media establishment is lazy. They print press releases all day evey day.
40 posted on 03/10/2003 9:38:22 AM PST by mabelkitty
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To: js1138
So is this the 173 page report that all the newspapers have seen, but no one has reported on?

Because silly, Iraq doesn't have any WMD's...Saddam Hussein is a peaceful, honest man who tells the truth. Didn't you see the Dan Rather interview? /HEAVY SARCASM

41 posted on 03/10/2003 9:38:28 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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To: Big Otto
Bump/Bookmark post. Thanks Big Otto!
42 posted on 03/10/2003 9:40:39 AM PST by FourtySeven
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To: PhiKapMom
Not much snow at all! Infact none on the ground now. It's been great. My family is in Texas and they've had a few colder days than we have this year. But for the last week we've had 65 mile per hour winds and 15 degrees. Yuck!
43 posted on 03/10/2003 9:43:18 AM PST by knak (kelly in alaska)
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To: Indy Pendance
Via my browser with the Adobe Acrobat plug-in the document comes up blank. If I do a "Save As" I get the 1.42 MB .pdf file, but when I try to open it in Acrobat 4.0 I get the following message.

There was an error opening this document. This viewer cannot decrypt this document.

I am going to get the latest and greatest version of the Acrobat reader, maybe it'll take care of the problem.
44 posted on 03/10/2003 9:44:21 AM PST by LayoutGuru2 (Victor Boc -> 5-8 weekdays on 860 AM - Open your mind)
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To: PhiKapMom
Blix: honorary UN pall bearer...
45 posted on 03/10/2003 9:49:48 AM PST by Dirk McQuickly
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To: LayoutGuru2
I had that same problem. Load the 5.0 something version, works fine.
46 posted on 03/10/2003 9:54:35 AM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: LayoutGuru2
Installed Acrobat Reader v5.1.0.9 (9/17/2002) and the document loads fine now!!!
47 posted on 03/10/2003 9:59:33 AM PST by LayoutGuru2 (Victor Boc -> 5-8 weekdays on 860 AM - Open your mind)
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To: Big Otto
Here it is... the formatting is not very user friendly, but this way anyone can read it who can't get the Adobe version to open...
(moved to link due to excessive size--John)

Blix's 173 page report--converted from PDF

48 posted on 03/10/2003 9:59:34 AM PST by Tamzee (There are 10 types of people... those who read binary, and those who don't.)
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To: PhiKapMom
Did you just hear Powell say other info will be made public showing how Saddam is serious about disarming..
49 posted on 03/10/2003 9:59:46 AM PST by Dog (Courage is being scared to death... and saddling up anyway. ~John Wayne)
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To: Dog
I sure did. This is getting ridiculous -- I have one TV on with Hatch speaking on Judicial nominations on C-SPAN and the other TV on with Fox News.
50 posted on 03/10/2003 10:03:17 AM PST by PhiKapMom (Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US)
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