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Challenges to "partial birth abortion" bill defeated; Senate passage likely
AP | 3/12/03 | DAVID ESPO

Posted on 03/12/2003 12:08:29 PM PST by kattracks

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Senate brushed aside twin challenges Wednesday to a proposed ban on a controversial abortion procedure, signaling support for legislation that would impose the most significant limits since the Supreme Court legalized abortion three decades ago.

On a vote of 60-38, the Senate first killed a proposal to ban a range of late-term abortions with exceptions for the health of the mother, exceptions that critics said rendered the prohibition all but meaningless.

Moments later, on a vote of 56-42, lawmakers rejected a call to have the bill rewritten in committee to address "constitutional issues raised by the Supreme Court" in a 2000 ruling.

The maneuvering cleared the way for passage Thursday of the legislation to ban what critics call partial birth abortion, a procedure often performed between the 20th and 26th week of pregnancies.

"It's not medically necessary. It's not even medically recognized," Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said of the procedure to be banned.

"This bill doesn't protect the health of women. It puts our daughters in harm's way," countered Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., Santorum's principal antagonist across three days of occasionally emotional debate.

The bill prohibits doctors from committing an "overt act" designed to kill a partially delivered fetus. Partial birth is described as a case in which the entire fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in the event of a breech delivery, if "any part of the fetal trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother."

The legislation includes an exemption in cases in which the procedure is necessary to save the life of the mother.

Supporters of the bill say it would outlaw a procedure that is barbaric, never medically necessary and carried out in cases in which the fetus would survive if the pregnancy were allowed to continue.

Critics argue the legislation is unconstitutional because it is drafted so vaguely that it could apply to more than one type of procedure, and fails to provide an exemption to protect the health of a mother.

The day's events reflected hardened political lines on abortion, an issue that Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill., said was dividing America as deeply as slavery did in the 19th century. The Supreme Court ruled in 1973 that women had the right to abortions.

Durbin authored the proposal to ban a wider range of late-term abortions, but it drew opposition from abortion foes and abortion rights supporters as well.

It would have prohibited abortions after the point that the fetus could survive outside the mother, tempered by an exception in cases that threaten a mother's life or "risk grievous injury to her physical health."

"It doesn't ban abortion, which is what some people want. And it doesn't get the government out of the picture, which is what some other people want," he said. "Instead, it tries to draw a line, a good faith line of where we will allow abortions in late term pregnancies."

But Santorum criticized it. "It eliminates the ban on partial birth abortion," he said, and leaves it up to a doctor to decide when a fetus is viable. "If the doctor says this child is not viable there's no review" by the courts, he said.

Boxer proposed that the legislation be sent to committee to have it rewritten to take a 2000 Supreme Court ruling into account.

But Santorum said the bill's authors had written it to meet the court's standard, and disputed the need for a health exception. The legislation declares that a ban on the procedure would "advance the health interests of pregnant women seeking to terminate a pregnancy."

The 2000 court case turned on a Nebraska law that was designed to ban the same type of procedure that the Senate measure addresses. The Supreme Court ruled the state law unconstitutional, saying it placed an "undue burden" on a woman's right to an abortion.

Abortion opponents have been trying since 1995 to ban what they call partial birth abortions. Former President Clinton twice vetoed bills. A third attempt was sidetracked by the court's ruling in 2000. Yet another bid faltered in the last Congress when Democrats gained control of the Senate and refused the schedule a vote.



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But Santorum criticized it. "It eliminates the ban on partial birth abortion," he said, and leaves it up to a doctor to decide when a fetus is viable. "If the doctor says this child is not viable there's no review" by the courts, he said. The notion that the serial killer to be paid for the deed if he does it or not paid if he doesn't do it makes one think, perhaps the killer isn't the proper person to be deciding the viability of the child about to be slaughtewred or the risk of continuing the pregnancy. Durbin's alternative was a ruse to keep this particular method of infanticide legal. The democrat party is now clearly on record as the prime defender of the indefensible. They will spin it in so many ways, but it all comes down to embracing infanticide or banning this particular method of killing alive babies. [BTW, Hillary called these vicitms of PBA 'babies' during her feckless time on the Senate floor. But the complicit fawning media will spin her horrendous failure in the debate as a 'principled stance' or some other lying assertion.]
41 posted on 03/12/2003 2:23:39 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
Much prayer and much hard work is now coming to fruition.

But the task is far from complete until every unborn babe enjoys the unalienable blessings of life and liberty that every child of God, and every American, deserves and is guaranteed by our founding documents.

We need to offer our thanks to the Almighty, celebrate the victory, and soldier on.

We can't rest while there is still one pro-death legislator or judge in America.
42 posted on 03/12/2003 4:45:23 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Maeve
"...now on the Senate floor talking about how abortion and slavery are the same moral issue that demand the same outcome..."

My brother's father-in-law wrote this article back in the 80's, and I insisted it be posted somewhere instead of languishing on his hard-drive. I thought it was an excellent argument.

I Pray Not.

43 posted on 03/12/2003 5:11:45 PM PST by Salem (Inveniemus viam aut faciemus. - we find the road or we make it.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Amen.
44 posted on 03/12/2003 5:13:02 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Salem
It is brilliant. Thank you for the link!
45 posted on 03/12/2003 5:14:55 PM PST by Maeve (Siobhan's daughter and sometime banshee.)
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To: EternalVigilance
I can't wait for the signing ceremony, though I can hear the libs wailing now: "All Bush cares about is American babies, while he bombs Iraqi babies." (With no mention of the children & adults suffering for decades at the hands of the murderous Saddam.)
46 posted on 03/12/2003 5:15:02 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: EternalVigilance
A-MEN!
47 posted on 03/12/2003 5:15:46 PM PST by Maeve (Siobhan's daughter and sometime banshee.)
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To: hattend
http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/aces/aces150.html

OK I got this site form FR but can't figure out how to call up whati'm looking for.

How can I find the back and forth between Hitlary and Santorum today when he asked her if "she should chose what child lives and which child dies"

Thanks for any help.
48 posted on 03/12/2003 5:21:39 PM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: anniegetyourgun
Less Iraqis will die in the process of us liberating them than would die under the 'tender mercies' of Hussein in a month.

But you're right; the liberals will whine and lie in any case.
49 posted on 03/12/2003 5:21:47 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: OXENinFLA
I looked here and it appears there is a two day delay in transcripts.

I couldn't find anything with the link you provided.

50 posted on 03/12/2003 5:44:00 PM PST by hattend
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To: kattracks
"This bill doesn't protect the health of women. It puts our daughters in harm's way," countered Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., Santorum's principal antagonist across three days of occasionally emotional debate.

I've got news for you Barbie, your son's are in harms way also when the abortionist sidles up to your birth canal with scissors and suction tube.

51 posted on 03/12/2003 5:48:28 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: GraniteStateConservative
He certainly did, but don't count on him to admit it.

He's always right, you know?
52 posted on 03/12/2003 5:55:38 PM PST by Howlin (Only UNamericans put the UN before America!)
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To: kattracks
I'd like a list of the senators voting to affirm Roe v. Wade. In particular, I'm wondering about Zell Miller. I thought somebody on the other thread (the C-span thread) said that he had voted "no" on that. (If so, then it is especially amazing that Georgia seems fated to elect a pro-abort RINO to replace him!)
53 posted on 03/12/2003 8:26:06 PM PST by madprof98
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To: kattracks
I still don't understand the focus on a specific procedure -- seems to me that it would make more sense to ban post-viability abortions except when the mother's life is in danger. And to Santorum's point, I think the doctor is the right person to judge viability (rather than the government).
54 posted on 03/12/2003 10:32:28 PM PST by ellery
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