Challenges to "partial birth abortion" bill defeated; Senate passage likely

AP | 3/12/03 | DAVID ESPO

[American72]

The legislation includes an exemption in cases in which the procedure is necessary to save the life of the mother.

Critics argue the legislation is unconstitutional because it is drafted so vaguely that it could apply to more than one type of procedure, and fails to provide an exemption to protect the health of a mother.

So which is it?

[GraniteStateConservative]

Health includes all sorts of garbage other than death.

[hattend]

"This bill doesn't protect the health of women. It puts our daughters in harm's way," countered Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., Santorum's principal antagonist across three days of occasionally emotional debate.

Wasn't it Santorum that was asking Boxer if a baby is still considered a fetus and can be killed if only the toe was still in the birth canal and Boxer just had no answer for that question? She absolutely refused to go on record with a yes or no answer.

This was about 4-5 years ago...anybody remember that?

[Teacher317]

I posted this two days ago, but thought it would work here as well:

Three times during Clinton's presidency PBA was passed by both houses, only to be vetoed at his desk. Somehow, I don't think it will be vetoed this time.

Go pop some popcorn, and get ready for the plaintive wails of the NAG crowd howling in their irrelevancy. In fact, it's about time that their precious "Constitutional Right" (which appears nowhere in the Constitution) saw some limits... preferably as many as there are to my Second Amendment rights, which are explicitly delineated, and more strongly-worded than any other expressly protected right. "Shall not infringe"!

[Crusher138]

The legislation includes an exemption in cases in which the procedure is necessary to save the life of the mother.

Critics argue the legislation is unconstitutional because it is drafted so vaguely that it could apply to more than one type of procedure, and fails to provide an exemption to protect the health of a mother.

So which is it?

The problem has been that the "health" of the mother was being extended to "mental" health. If giving birth was going to be a traumatic experience that would have effected her mental state, then some doctors would use that as a reason to have this hideous procedure.

There is a BIG difference in protecting the life (pretty specific) or the health (way too vague) of the mother.

[Paulus Invictus]

Lott was on Scarborough's (sp.) show last night on MSNBC and he did very well defending the President's plans for Iraq. Lott was made into a scoundrel by the RATS, but he stayed on in the Senate and that's good. He did apologize way too much and it did him no good at all. The RATS continued trashing him and still are doing it (racism is a Pubbie thing, they claim).

I like this Scarborough guy. He is much better than Matthews King, Chung, and virtually anyone on CNN and he beats out O'Reilly too! Your thoughts?

[Peach]

Yeah - the Senate was all for a ban on partial birth abortion when there was a Democrat for president - who vetoed their bill(s). Now that there's a Republican in office, those who voted to ban partial birth abortion before are all saying it's an okay thing now. Hipocrites.

[MEGoody]

Praying fervently that this gets passed quickly.

[OldFriend]

NJ has a ban on partial birth abortion, which Christie Whitless signed after at first vetoing the bill. Evidently there is wording that meets the Supreme Court's standards.

[Fury]

Would the Democrats perhaps filibuster this? Can they?

[secret garden]

Surprisingly, I heard several dems vote with the Republicans on this one - Cantwell and Lautenberg, believe it or not. Let's see how they vote on the bill.

[Puddleglum]

He is a magnifcent man of character who understands what is at stake philosophically.

Rick Santorum: "Life is a prerequisite to Liberty."

Allow me to join in the kudos!

And here Hillary thought "I think therefore you are" was a prerequisite to Liberty!

[Askel5]

The legislation includes an exemption in cases in which the procedure is necessary to save the life of the mother.

In other words, it's another essentially worthless squandering of moral capital to accomplish nothing of substance.

[hillsborofox]

Mr. Fox and I were at the Exit/In in Nashville a couple years ago, drinking beer and listening to various musical groups have their 15 minute sets.

At one point I said to Mr. Fox that I recognized the lead singer, who was barefoot, drinking from a long neck, and singing a song he wrote about being in jail in New Mexico.

"I think I've seen him on cable news."

"Unlikely, Sweetheart."

"No, I have seen him before and I think he's in congress. Nice guy from Florida. Republican."

"No more beer for you, Mrs. Fox!"

Over Mr. Fox's protestations I inquired of the waitress, excuse me, "server," who after checking told us it was Congressman Joe Scarborough from Florida.

After his set we chatted with him. Nicest man in the world, no pretension. I wish he hadn't left Congress. I also wish Fox News had nabbed him.

[steveegg]

I don't remember that exchange, but I remember one between Santorum and Russ (Slimeroad) Feingold (D-WI), where Russ said (and later had stricken from the record) that if there was a birth during this process, that it still was up to the murderess and her instrument of death to decide whether to allow the child to live.

[Coleus]

Yes, praise the Lord

Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act, VOTE in US Senate, during the week of March 10, Act Now

[American72]

Thanks for the clarification. The libs really never cease to amaze me anymore. They are really really sick.

[goodieD]

It puts our daughters in harm's way," countered Sen. Barbara Boxer

Since our daughters start in our wombs, Senator 'Vlad the Impaler' Boxer, all abortions put our daughters (and sons) in harm's way.

[GraniteStateConservative]

Joe was a good congressman. He left due to personal reasons. He really steals the format of O'Reilly (the talking points up on the screen for example), but he's good. He used to be in a band. They performed at the GOP Convention in 2000.

[hattend]

Here it is for all the world to see. Buck Foxer