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PROSECUTORS WEIGH CHANCES IN SMART CASE
Drudge Report ^ | March 17, 2003 | The Guardian newspaper

Posted on 03/17/2003 1:23:52 PM PST by varina davis

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To: anniegetyourgun
"Do I actually detect people justifying this freak breaking and entering at knifepoint to kidnapp a minor child?"

There certainly do seem to be a lot who are anxious to demonize this family. God help you if your child is ever abducted and recovered in this country and it is nationally publicized. Suddenly it becomes everybody's fault except the perpetrator's.

61 posted on 03/17/2003 4:04:52 PM PST by sweetliberty ("To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it.")
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To: utahagen
Let's step back from this case for a moment.

If you had not seen or heard any of the media stories about this case over the previous nine months, and you were asked to review the facts of the case as you know them now, would you still believe that the abduction story was entirely true?

All I'm saying here is that many people on this site are working through this case backwards in a logical sense -- by first presuming what the truth is, and then going back and trying to prove the case. In the process, they are using specific evidence that supports this assertion, and dismissing any contradictory evidence with claims that (even if true) are admittedly speculative in nature.

If there are two possibilities in this case -- 1) Elizabeth Smart was abducted, or 2) her departure was not entirely "involuntary" -- and her initial response to a police officer was a denial that she was the girl "who ran away," then it would seem that the evidence on this specific point of fact would clearly point toward #2 as being the more likely scenario.

If you were to go through all of the facts about this case that have been made public, and list all of the ones that call into question the validity of the abduction story, you'll find that almost every one of those facts can only be reconciled with an abduction scenario by dismissing them with speculative, unprovable claims such as: "she was brainwashed," "it was too dark to see," "she wasn't herself," etc.

If, on the other hand, you were to go through all of the facts that have been made public and list all of the ones that seemingly contradict a "runaway" scenario, you'll find that almost every one of those facts is based entirely on eyewitness accounts and personal statements from family members -- many of which have changed since the story first broke last June.

62 posted on 03/17/2003 4:05:40 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: anniegetyourgun
Thank you, good point! I've run into a number of people on here, who keep insisting on 'knowing something' the rest of us don't know; and can't or won't tell us why! They behave as if they know her/family and about what happened more than anyone else.

If they know something, and can prove it, they should tell the police! But sitting there speculating, and making baseless accusations against the victim, is just wrong, and unfair. Besides that, they need to respect the fact that those of us who don't agree with them, weren't born yesterday; and to stop talking down to us!
63 posted on 03/17/2003 4:07:30 PM PST by dsutah
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To: Amerigomag; anniegetyourgun
"statements of her 9 year sister who is obviously beginnig to change her story."

I don't get where a sudden recollection by the younger sister equals changing her story.

64 posted on 03/17/2003 4:11:42 PM PST by sweetliberty ("To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it.")
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To: Alberta's Child
"The implication is not that Elizabeth "staged" a break-in, but that her family concocted the story in order to generate media attention and keep the police and the public on the case"

If, and I emphasize "if", because I do not think it is very likely, but if it was, I am not willing to pass judgement on parents who would do anything to get their missing kid home safely. Desperation can motivate people to do extraordinary things.

65 posted on 03/17/2003 4:18:11 PM PST by sweetliberty ("To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it.")
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To: varina davis
Elizabeth may well have been abducted. but I wouldn't believe one word coming from her parents. I think they created undue problems in the initial investigation of this case.
66 posted on 03/17/2003 4:19:46 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: Alberta's Child
So, you actually think that these parents made up a story to cover for the fact that their 14 year old ran off with some much older freak and his ugly 'wife'? Did they cut the screens that night and 'brainwash' their 9 yr old with their story within the few hours it took for the police to take the report in the morning? And this is because they don't want to admit that Elizabeth had fallen for this maniac we don't even know if she had ever set eyes on before?
67 posted on 03/17/2003 4:30:15 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Mean Maryjean
"The "RAN-AWAY" part is very telling, if you ask me."

Telling of what? These people were living in the hills for the first 2 months and on the streets after that. I doubt seriously that Elizabeth had access to television, and even at times when they might have, I doubt she was allowed to hear what was being said. The nutjob probably told her that's what everybody thought, as part of the brainwashing, and I do believe that is what this was. It has all the earmarks of a cultic type brainwashing.

68 posted on 03/17/2003 4:30:26 PM PST by sweetliberty ("To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it.")
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To: bradactor
If I am suspicious of anyone in this whole mess, it's the police efforts and competency.
69 posted on 03/17/2003 4:32:28 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Grig
I never assumed she WAS pregnant, but your snide comment proves nothing. Cite your source. How reliable is it? Do you honestly think Ed Smart would tell you if she had been??
If she has been sexually abused, the public doesn't need to know, but they never will know.
70 posted on 03/17/2003 4:37:20 PM PST by Doc Savage
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To: varina davis
First of all, Mitchell is a demonstrated nut-case; second, there is no allegation against him by the purported victim; third, there is much we don't know.

Give the guy a lean-to, a bar of soap and a long stick to beat himself with and be done with it.

71 posted on 03/17/2003 4:45:37 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: anniegetyourgun
I don't see anyone "saying" that. I think it is reasonable to question the parent's actions in repeatedly exposing their children to criminal vagrants. That to me is blatant child endangerment.

If a mother left her child in a hot car and the child became sick or died you would undoubtedly say she was negligent and endangered her child. Or if she left a young child alone for an extended period of time and the child became ill or died,...same thing.

Why then is it so difficult to see the dangerous impact that the actions of Ed and Lois Smart had on their children, actions which ultimately led to property theft as well as the kidnapping and suspected sexual abuse of their daughter.

People want to believe they are excellent parents, and perhaps in most respects they are. But what kind of parent so openly and easily endangers the health and welfare of their own childen. The simple fact is that if they were "Smart-ER" they never would have opened this Pandora's Box of evil. This entire episode should never have happened.

72 posted on 03/17/2003 4:49:48 PM PST by Doc Savage
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To: Grig
"The 'she ran away to pop one out secretly' crowd should eat crow now."

You are far too kind. Regardless of whatever the "truth" is found to be, nothing can be gained by a bunch of sick bastards trying to drag a child through the mud, be she Mormon, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, or whatever.

I'm certain, however, that the lawyers and other components of the oft-bungling judicial system will do that in a manner sure to please a large number of people here and elsewhere. And if the "predominant religion" in her Elizabeth's environs is smeared at the same time, many will consider such as frosting on the cake...

73 posted on 03/17/2003 4:50:07 PM PST by tracer (/b>)
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To: Norman Conquest
>>the prosecution will have to call her to establish that element of the offense<<

If indeed she is willing to testify.

74 posted on 03/17/2003 4:54:39 PM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Doc Savage
In all objectiveness, I had to observe that, by the girl's appearance in comparison to that of the image in the photos released soon after her abduction, she may well be currently or recently pregnant. Such is not unlikely, given the frequency of recent references to polygamy, marriage, wives, etc.

If such is the case, then there is all the more reason to shield her from nastiness related to the "gory details" and afford her the privacy mandated during the legal process for one who is a minor and a possible victim of sexual abuse.....

75 posted on 03/17/2003 5:00:25 PM PST by tracer (/b>)
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To: varina davis
I find it trulystrange that there has never been a comment or statement from this girl that she might have hated her situation, or was completely relieved now that she was rescued,... or didn't otherwise like what had happened to her for the past nine months....

Strange, even with all the social science wierdo so called "expert" explanations and "do-gooder" explanations.

76 posted on 03/17/2003 5:11:40 PM PST by rmvh
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To: Doc Savage
I don't understand your anger over what I said.

Other freepers HAVE speculated, with glee even, that she ran off to hide a pregnancy or to become pregnant. Officials have clearly stated that she is not and never has been pregnant. Those who delighted in finding ways to blame the victim like that should eat crow and I make no apology for saying so.
77 posted on 03/17/2003 5:20:27 PM PST by Grig
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To: sweetliberty
I am not willing to pass judgement on parents who would do anything to get their missing kid home safely. Desperation can motivate people to do extraordinary things.

If this was the case, did it ever occur to you that Elizabeth might have been found much sooner if the truth had been told in the beginning?

78 posted on 03/17/2003 5:50:19 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: anniegetyourgun
So, you actually think that these parents made up a story to cover for the fact that their 14 year old ran off with some much older freak and his ugly 'wife'?

No, but they may very well have made up a story to cover for the fact that their relationship with this Emmanuel character was more involved than simply hiring the guy to work on the roof of the house one day. Or to make sure that the police and the public stayed involved in the case.

Did they cut the screens that night and 'brainwash' their 9 yr old with their story within the few hours it took for the police to take the report in the morning?

If this case ever goes to trial, I can guarantee you that the younger sister's story will make or break the case. Even the limited information the public has seen about her story has a lot of holes and inconsistencies in it.

79 posted on 03/17/2003 5:54:40 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Utah Girl
This was the report...
80 posted on 03/17/2003 5:56:34 PM PST by marajade
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