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US warns Belgium on war crimes cases(Lawyers Preparing a Case Against President Bush)
Reuters | 3/18/03 | Jonathan Wright

Posted on 03/18/2003 3:38:25 PM PST by kattracks

US warns Belgium on war crimes cases
Reuters

WASHINGTON, March 18 (Reuters) - The United States has warned Belgian authorities about the effects of legislation that allows suits against foreign leaders on what Washington considers to be politically motivated charges, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell said on Tuesday.

If such prosecutions proliferate, it could be difficult for senior officials to visit Belgium, which hosts NATO headquarters, he told a group of reporters.

The families of victims of a U.S. attack on a Baghdad shelter in the 1991 Gulf War plan to file a complaint in Belgium against Powell, former U.S. President George Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and former U.S. commander Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf. The complaint would be under a law enabling its courts to hear human rights cases.

Powell was chairman of the joint chiefs of staff under Bush, father of current president, when the United States went to war against Iraq in 1991.

Powell joked that the next NATO ministerial meeting might be short because of the prosecution threat.

He added: "It's a serious problem. The Belgian legislature continues to pass laws and modify them over time, which permits these kinds of suits, and it's the same kind of law that affected (Israeli) Prime Minister (Ariel) Sharon."

"We have cautioned our Belgian colleagues that they need to be very careful about this kind of effort, this kind of legislation, because it makes it hard for us to go places that put you at such easy risk," he added. "If you show up, next thing you know you're being... Who knows?"

U.S. pilots attacked the Amiriyah air raid shelter in a residential suburb of Baghdad on Feb. 12, 1991, in the mistaken belief that it was a military command center, not a refuge for civilians. More than 400 people died, including 261 women and 52 children, according to Iraqi official figures.

Powell said the case was without merit.

Powell also said lawyers in Belgium were also preparing a case against current U.S. President George W. Bush and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld "even before anything has happened," apparently a reference to a possible invasion of Iraq.

The most prominent case so far under the disputed Belgian law was a complaint against Sharon for his alleged role in the 1982 massacre of Palestinian refugees in Beirut.

That case, temporarily suspended while Sharon has immunity from prosecution as prime minister, has severely strained relations between Belgium and Israel. ((Writing by Jonathan Wright;



TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: belgium; deathcultivation; europe; nato; nwo; sovereignty; sovereigntylist; warlist
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1 posted on 03/18/2003 3:38:26 PM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
President Bush needs to get us out of this mess fast.
Pronto! If he does not get us out, he will get tripped up too. We want out of this World Court and the UN. We need out now.
2 posted on 03/18/2003 3:41:09 PM PST by tessalu
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To: kattracks
The Belgians will never go after real butchers, like Castro and his minions or Saddam and his lackies.
3 posted on 03/18/2003 3:42:05 PM PST by george wythe
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To: kattracks
Go ahead You fools in Brussels go ahead and do it.
You'll find out your a little pissant country.
4 posted on 03/18/2003 3:42:38 PM PST by demlosers
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To: kattracks
Bomb Belgium so they will then have something real to complain about... have drugs have seeped into their water supply from the Netherlands?
5 posted on 03/18/2003 3:43:19 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: kattracks
They do this sort of stuff and still don't see why we're opting out of the ICC?
7 posted on 03/18/2003 3:43:49 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: kattracks
The Belgians have been going after Sharon constantly. Of course, the case has gone kind of cold lately. One of the witnesses car blew up, the other one had a "heart-attack" and drove off the road. Tough luck.
8 posted on 03/18/2003 3:44:23 PM PST by Mr.Clark (From the darkness....I shall come)
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To: george wythe
The Belgians will never go after real butchers, like Castro and his minions or Saddam and his lackies.

Or investigate its own wretched history of African colonialism.

9 posted on 03/18/2003 3:44:48 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Go Al Go!)
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To: kattracks
Time to pull out and move east to the New Europe
10 posted on 03/18/2003 3:44:50 PM PST by No One of Consequence
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To: tessalu
We're not part of their so called world BS court.
11 posted on 03/18/2003 3:45:24 PM PST by demlosers
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To: kattracks
We should bomb the Belgian parliment.
12 posted on 03/18/2003 3:45:31 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Go Al Go!)
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To: kattracks
how very typical of these evil liberals

The Murderer/Butcher of Bagdad is left undisturbed these many years to continue on his tyranny while a good God-Fearing American President who wants to protect his people and disarm a therat to world peace & stability is being attacked for trying to do good.

As someone said: The criminals have more rights than the defendants these days....

13 posted on 03/18/2003 3:45:48 PM PST by prophetic
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To: kattracks
The US has nothing to fear from these Belgian court cases as all the actions taken by the US military are legal and will always be legal.

The people in the bomb shelter were casualties of war a war that was legal as legal it can be. The Gulf War of 1991 was launched as result of Iraq ignoring the UN Security Council Resolution to withdraw from occupied Kuwait.

But then again if the war is not legal .....

14 posted on 03/18/2003 3:46:20 PM PST by bobi (events before the event are more important than the event)
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To: kattracks
Note the clever bias...

U.S. pilots attacked the Amiriyah air raid shelter in a residential suburb of Baghdad on Feb. 12, 1991, in the mistaken belief that it was a military command center, not a refuge for civilians. More than 400 people died, including 261 women and 52 children, according to Iraqi official figures.

The facility was a command center - the civilians were intentionally placed ont he upper three levels of the six-level facility. The bombing attack destroyed all levels, and radio intercepts showed a sudden dropoff in Iraqi military communications coinciding with the strike. But none of that matters, of course...

15 posted on 03/18/2003 3:46:50 PM PST by AzSteven
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To: No One of Consequence
Time to pull out and move east to the New Europe

Yeah, looks like it's about time to re-open the Warsaw Pact under new management.

16 posted on 03/18/2003 3:47:52 PM PST by ThinkDifferent (tick...tick...tick...)
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To: kattracks
If Belgium presses ahead with this then we will have no alternative but to break diplomatic relations and all treaties with Belgium. We should also notify the Belgian government that the apprehension and detention of a serving or former member of the US govt or armed forces will be considered an act of war, and we will respond accordingly. They might also be reminded that the last two times they have been in a war, it has been conclusively proven that Belgium is a road and not a country.
17 posted on 03/18/2003 3:48:29 PM PST by Stefan Stackhouse
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To: Billthedrill
Ya know with enough Beer, I think you and I could take over Belgiam......

Something to think about!
18 posted on 03/18/2003 3:49:44 PM PST by cmsgop ( Arby's says no more Horsey Sauce for Scott Ritter !!!!)
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To: kattracks
Belgian socialist hypocrites. The mouth that roared.
19 posted on 03/18/2003 3:49:45 PM PST by Rocky
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To: kattracks
Belgium is becoming the anus of Europe.
20 posted on 03/18/2003 3:49:47 PM PST by tomahawk
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To: AzSteven
It WAS a command center, but the Reuters F**ks are too STUPID to know that or too LAZY to find out. They are shills for Islamofascism.
21 posted on 03/18/2003 3:50:43 PM PST by tomahawk
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To: kattracks
we can't go to belgium?

bummer. hey, NATO,


22 posted on 03/18/2003 3:51:14 PM PST by glock rocks (pray for our men and women in harm's way. God bless America)
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To: kattracks
Dissolving NATO would take care of the problem, because there is no other reason to go to Belgium, anyway.
23 posted on 03/18/2003 3:51:28 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Paleo Conservative
By his own admission, Castro has executed tens of thousands of people for political "crimes."

During the 1970s, Castro sent his troops to Africa to support Marxist guerrilla movements. Eyewitness accounts relate the mass killings of tribes considered potential sympathizers with the enemies of the Marxist guerrillas.

None of those crimes have ever been investigated by the UN or Belgium.

But again, do anyone here really think that the North Korean Butcher Extraordinaire is going to be indicted in Belgium soon?

24 posted on 03/18/2003 3:52:31 PM PST by george wythe
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To: Paleo Conservative
This so called World Court can go pound sand up their clintons.

BTW, and as you probably know, libs like xlinton have long lusted that we would be part of the "world community", meaning that we subvert ourselves to the UN communist pacifist cannibal club.

Let's build our top secret missile/nuclear defense technology, get the UN the hell out of the US...and I think GWB is on a roll.

I think back to the 2000 campaign and the libs were all over FreeRepublic "Go Pat Go", bashing GWB as disguised Conservatives.

We have a great POTUS, and maybe the UN will end up in Paris before this is all over.

25 posted on 03/18/2003 3:52:52 PM PST by oldtimer
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To: bobi
The US has nothing to fear from these Belgian court cases as all the actions taken by the US military are legal

What is legal in the US might be illegal in Belgium.

As a matter of fact, Belgium keeps changing its own laws in order to accommodate this political theater.

26 posted on 03/18/2003 3:54:31 PM PST by george wythe
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To: oldtimer
what should the United States do about the belgium condition?

here's my recommendation...


27 posted on 03/18/2003 3:55:15 PM PST by glock rocks (pray for our men and women in harm's way. God bless America)
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To: AzSteven
It's like the world has forgotten that people die in war. That's what it is. It's a tragic thing, but the tragedy makes people want to avoid the next one.

MM

28 posted on 03/18/2003 3:56:06 PM PST by MississippiMan
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To: kattracks
The next time Dick Cheney is in Europe, he needs to drop in on the Belgians, sit down with their top 2 or 3 HMWIC's in whatever kind of pissant government they have, look them in the eye, and tell them that if they arrest and hold any American citizens for prosecutions under this, that we will consider it an act of war.

And then he should immediately leave, with no opportunity for questions.
29 posted on 03/18/2003 3:57:25 PM PST by FreedomPoster (This Space Intentionally Blank)
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To: kattracks
It is Saddam who put the shelter under a military target. He is the one guilty of war crimes.
BTW... Dr. Evil is from Belgium.
30 posted on 03/18/2003 3:58:26 PM PST by HBAR223
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To: Paleo Conservative
The Belgians have an unmatched history of attacking their protectors and sucking up to their enemies. In the opening days of BOTH WW1 and WW2, these dimbulbs concluded that Britain and France were the biggest threats to their sacred neutrality, and barred the Allies from forward-basing troops. Of course, both times, the shrewd Belgians ended up playing doormat for the Germans. What hope is there for a people who just refuse to learn?
31 posted on 03/18/2003 3:58:42 PM PST by PETAMember
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To: kattracks
Maybe they should worry about the child rapists and murderers high up in the Belgian government before they worry about political crimes abroad.
32 posted on 03/18/2003 3:58:44 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: kattracks
First,

Let them indict Rumsfeld

Second,

Have Rumsfield go to Belgium and be arrested by the

"frog-lites"

Third,

Rumsfield waits on the tarmac for extraction after kicking the ass of the entire Belgium government.
33 posted on 03/18/2003 4:01:18 PM PST by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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To: kattracks
First,

Let them indict Rumsfeld

Second,

Have Rumsfield go to Belgium and be arrested by the

"frog-lites"

Third,

Rumsfield waits on the tarmac for extraction after kicking the ass of the entire Belgium government.
34 posted on 03/18/2003 4:02:03 PM PST by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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To: ThinkDifferent
Yeah, looks like it's about time to re-open the Warsaw Pact under new management.

Interesting way to look at it.

35 posted on 03/18/2003 4:08:06 PM PST by steveegg (The French have removed 1 leg from the UN; it is now LN (League of Nations).)
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To: tessalu
Actually, these actions have been taken under Belgian law, not the International Criminal Court. The goofy Belgian legislature passed a law that enables their courts to try heads of state and others for "war crimes." As for the International Criminal Court, Clinton signed the ICC treaty, but the Senate never ratified it. When he took office, President Bush rescinded his predecessor's signature. So we are not a party to the treaty that created the ICC.
36 posted on 03/18/2003 4:09:10 PM PST by Wolfstar (Why war in Iraq? Answer: ANTHRAX.)
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To: oldtimer
We have a great POTUS, and maybe the UN will end up in Paris before this is all over.

I prefer Atlantis myself.

37 posted on 03/18/2003 4:09:55 PM PST by steveegg (The French have removed 1 leg from the UN; it is now LN (League of Nations).)
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To: cmsgop
Count me in!
38 posted on 03/18/2003 4:30:16 PM PST by 4integrity (AJ)
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To: tessalu
We didn't join the world court, thank god. This is a Belgian law that the legislature passed, the first to be indicted was Sharon. If they keep this up, we may have to sever relations with that country, which has become too big for it's britches. It is the center of Eurabia.
39 posted on 03/18/2003 4:43:10 PM PST by americanbychoice
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To: kattracks
how come the TOON got a pass?

never mind

40 posted on 03/18/2003 4:54:03 PM PST by willy WOXOF
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To: kattracks
U.S. pilots attacked the Amiriyah air raid shelter in a residential suburb of Baghdad on Feb. 12, 1991, in the mistaken belief that it was a military command center, not a refuge for civilians. More than 400 people died, including 261 women and 52 children, according to Iraqi official figures.

Gosh. What's next? I suppose they'll want to go after Clinton for bombing a baby milk factory.

Becki

41 posted on 03/18/2003 4:56:44 PM PST by Becki (Pray continually for our leaders and our troops!)
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To: kattracks
Just put the Belgians on notice that arresting an American official for acts performed under the authority of office will be treated as an act of war.
42 posted on 03/18/2003 4:58:30 PM PST by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: kattracks
Further demonstration that NATO as we have known it is finished.

When Belgium no longer fears to attack the US, it is clear that she has no external enemies, nor have Germany, nor France. At least, none that they recognize.

So lets throw an "end of the alliance" party, pass out party favors, congratulate ourselves for a famous victory, and then move our offices, bases, and assets out of these countries. Nothing says that the new alliance, as yet unnamed, couldn't be headquartered in Warsaw, or Bucharest, or Sofia. Or Baghdad. Or Perth.

I don't know of one good reason it should be in Brussels.
43 posted on 03/18/2003 5:04:57 PM PST by marron
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To: tessalu
We want out of this World Court and the UN. We need out now.

BUMP
44 posted on 03/18/2003 5:08:18 PM PST by TLBSHOW (The gift is to see the truth......)
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To: Mr.Clark
The Darwin awards were made for Belgium if it wants to arrest a setting or former Prime Minister of Israel. The Jewish nation won't be too gentle as it removes one of its own from arrest in Belgium.
45 posted on 03/18/2003 5:21:19 PM PST by em2vn
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To: americanbychoice
Strange that they haven't been able to put Mark Dutroux in front of any of their poxy courts yet.

What is it 6 yrs and counting.

During the last gulf War they refused to sell amunition to the UK, let alone give it.
46 posted on 03/18/2003 5:23:07 PM PST by crazycat
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To: marron
Only one - really good waffles.

On to Tashkent!

47 posted on 03/18/2003 5:30:31 PM PST by ScholarWarrior
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To: kattracks
They'll never get Bush. Too many Americans would defend him with their life.
48 posted on 03/18/2003 5:35:43 PM PST by God is good
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To: kattracks
"We have cautioned our Belgian colleagues that they need to be very careful about this kind of effort, this kind of legislation, because it makes it hard for us to go places that put you at such easy risk," he added. "If you show up, next thing you know you're being... Who knows?"

Could you imagine the reprocussions if they placed one of our diplomats, or worse, the President under arrest? That would be hillarious how fast we would wipe them out.

49 posted on 03/18/2003 5:36:54 PM PST by rodeocowboy
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To: george wythe
Your darn right about that.
50 posted on 03/18/2003 5:48:42 PM PST by David1
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