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Republican Guard: Extent of Degradation Unknown
STRATFOR ^ | Apr 01, 2003

Posted on 03/31/2003 7:28:21 PM PST by Axion

Republican Guard: Extent of Degradation Unknown
Apr 01, 2003 - 0129 GMT

For several days, Republican Guard (RG) divisions from Karbala to the south of Baghdad have been subject to relentless bombing aimed at destroying their materiel and manpower as coalition forces seek to open the road to Baghdad.

The U.S. command claims the Republican Guard divisions' combat capabilities have been degraded by 35 to 85 percent. Stratfor's sources in foreign intelligence services estimate that air attacks have degraded the combat capabilities of the Republican Guard Al Medina Division by 5 percent, the Hammurabi and Nebuchadnezzar divisions by 5 percent to 10 percent and the Baghdad Division by 10 to 15 percent. An unknown percentage of the other RG divisions' defenses have been bombed less severely, so damage estimates are not available. The information Stratfor has gathered from these sources might hold true, for several reasons.

First, as Stratfor stated previously, the Iraqi command has learned much from Yugoslav tactics used to avert significant military losses during the NATO air campaign in 1999. For example, when the Yugoslav army was withdrawing from Kosovo, only 13 tanks were destroyed by NATO air power -- the NATO command had reported several hundred tanks destroyed. Iraq has made an effort to learn from the Yugoslav experience, including sending special research teams to Belgrade after the Kosovo war. The Iraqi command is using decoys extensively and creating fake targets, which are potentially able to deceive U.S. technical intelligence such as satellite imagery by giving off heat and displaying other characteristics of real targets.

Second, the Iraqi military had its own negative experience in the Persian Gulf War, from which they learned how to hide targets from U.S. air strikes. The Iraqi military had some successes during Operation Desert Storm, such as a fake line of tanks -- which in reality were rubber decoys -- which the United States targeted in a bombing run.

Third, after the Gulf war, Iraq had no illusions that U.S. air power would not continue to grow. The Iraqis have had 12 years to prepare for the time when the United States would unleash its high-tech power from the skies. It is no surprise they have given priority to researching and introducing ways to save their elite forces from the carnage delivered from the air.

Fourth, the RG Divisions' highly trained personnel have excelled in tactical camouflage and maskirovka -- the practice of hiding forces by using the landscape and various other objects as cover. RG tanks, artillery pieces and combat infantry vehicles have been dispersed across a vast territory. They have been hidden next to the walls of houses, under trees and in other covered settings.

Fifth, before the current attack, Iraqi forces had time to dig, and we estimate that at least a few deep trenches could be used as cover for each armored object. Digging trenches might still work against high-tech air power. Osama bin Laden -- or someone writing in his name -- wrote a letter to Iraqi President Saddam Hussein before the war began, telling him not to fear U.S. air power. The letter gave the following example: Only 18 of the 600 mujahideen who dug into the trenches in the Tora Bora cave complex in Afghanistan during U.S. bombings in December 2001 were killed. And professional RG soldiers probably know better how to dig in than al Qaeda's irregular forces.

Sixth, RG divisions have organized a well-developed air defense system, including portable Russian-made Strela-2m -- analogous to the U.S. Stinger -- that so far have precluded the coalition from using tactical aviation and ground attack planes against them. That has left the coalition with few options, one of which it is using now: bombing the RG positions from high altitudes, which leaves little hope for accuracy.

Seventh, the RG divisions may not be located exactly in the areas targeted by the coalition in the last several days, our foreign intelligence sources say. And since the Republican Guards have not moved -- for example, they have not identified themselves by answering fire from forward-deployed U.S. units such as the 3rd Squadron, 7th Cavalry -- it likely is extremely difficult for U.S. forces to correlate the bombing.

Still, despite the above statements, we cannot say unequivocally that our sources are correct. Nor can we say the coalition command's battle damage assessment of RG divisions is wrong. What we can say is that, due to the above, it is possible that RG divisions have taken less damage from air strikes than the U.S. command estimates. If this is true, it could create problems for U.S. ground forces when they move in to attack major RG combat positions.

We probably will not know which assessment is more accurate until U.S. forces physically engage major elements of the Republican Guard. Alternatively, we may see the signs of RG degradation if defense forces begin to retreat from the positions they now occupy -- but that is unlikely, as moving would expose the camouflaged RG divisions to coalition air power.


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1 posted on 03/31/2003 7:28:22 PM PST by Axion
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To: Axion
Medina: 5% degraded? Sounds low, compared to estimates of others. Wonder if Stratfor has any axes to grind.
2 posted on 03/31/2003 7:32:47 PM PST by Tax Government
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To: Tax Government
Stratfor is becoming more and more like DEBKA. "Our foreign intelligence sources"...what a crock.
3 posted on 03/31/2003 7:34:04 PM PST by rumrunner
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To: rumrunner
It's one or two guys, tops. Still, I would go with their estimates as a precautionary measure. Let's bomb the RG 20 times again what we've done so far.
4 posted on 03/31/2003 7:36:02 PM PST by EaglesUpForever (Ne messez pas avec le US)
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To: Axion
I diasagree with the writer's major point, there is no comparison to the bombing Kosovo and what we are doing here.
5 posted on 03/31/2003 7:37:30 PM PST by try phecta tom ((Harvey RULES. Paul not the rabbit)
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To: Axion
A grim appraisal if true. On the other hand, there have been overly optimistic claims on the US side, based on the last war.

On the other, other hand, one would hope the US would have learned something from the Balkan war about the possibility that high level bombing against false targets.
6 posted on 03/31/2003 7:37:59 PM PST by wildbill
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To: Axion
only 5% degraded after so many precision bombing runs?

That's hard to beleive. If nothing else, the troops must be awfully shell shocked by now.
7 posted on 03/31/2003 7:46:18 PM PST by SolutionsOnly
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To: Tax Government
Huh? Mere speculation. If the forces are only 5% degraded why are they bringing in reinforcements in from the North?
8 posted on 03/31/2003 7:51:13 PM PST by jbstrick (Behold the Power of CHEESE!)
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To: Tax Government
hell with it, MOAB them and end all doubt.
9 posted on 03/31/2003 7:52:23 PM PST by SCHROLL
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To: Axion
First of all, we're not bombing from 15,000 feet. Most of these tanks have been taken out by Apaches flying low enough to be able to detect a decoy. I would take our kill numbers and divide by two just to be safe though.
10 posted on 03/31/2003 7:54:34 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: SolutionsOnly
only 5% degraded after so many precision bombing runs?

Our reconnaissance is always taking pictures of bomb damage assessment. I find it very hard to believe that the RG have faked us out with bogus tanks made of cardboard or metal. A real tank will hold most of its structure after being bombed, which would not be the case with a light decoy structure. The only other possibility is that the RG have dug in real but unmanned tanks that they don't need and let them be bombed out while holding back live tanks near Baghdad. And I doubt that too.

12 posted on 03/31/2003 8:00:15 PM PST by WRhine
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To: Axion
Saddam is trained by the USA in how to fake rebuilding and creating false assets. During the Iran/Iraq war he would paper over runway holes and had wood tanks to fool Iranian Air Force pilots.

You can never really know until you actually engage. It seems no matter what, the people in the city are going to make the USA earn Baghdad. ABC just had a story of how Saddam is following stalingrad, (Saddamgrad, ha ha).
13 posted on 03/31/2003 8:00:19 PM PST by longtermmemmory
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To: Axion
I guarantee the intelligence gathered in Iraq is much better and different than what was used in the Balkans.
14 posted on 03/31/2003 8:03:18 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (Yes, let us allow the economies of gerdung, frunk, mexiztlan, chirushcom and canadastan to wither...)
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To: McGavin999
First of all, we're not bombing from 15,000 feet. Most of these tanks have been taken out by Apaches flying low enough to be able to detect a decoy.

Right on the mark. Also, the Apache pilots have reported taking significant gun fire near the RG divisions. The RG are not protecting decoys.

15 posted on 03/31/2003 8:04:15 PM PST by WRhine
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To: Axion
the Iraqi command has learned much from Yugoslav tactics

The assumption being that the US has not bothered to learn as well -- unlikely.

16 posted on 03/31/2003 8:10:39 PM PST by jlogajan
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To: Axion
Kosovo air strikes were limited to attitudes no lower than two miles. President Clinton did not want to deal with shot down pilot POW's. In GW2, pilots are coming in low if needed to get an accurate hit. They are attacking moving targets as well as targets with proper thermal signatures. If I were the Republican Guard, I would abandon the heavy equipment, salvage all the ammo and gear, become roving infantry with anti-tank weapons. Let the Americans bomb the abandon tanks creating a false impression on losses. Let the US troops roll over your position and shoot up the rear echelon as it moves up. Cause as much casualties as possible and hope it would inspire the world and demoralize the US into an Armistice. Note, I said hope for an Armistice, but with GWB and post 9/11 America, fat chance for the Iraqis.
17 posted on 03/31/2003 8:13:11 PM PST by Fee
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To: Axion
Stratfor's sources in foreign intelligence services - What do ya think, France, Germany or Russia?
18 posted on 03/31/2003 8:16:25 PM PST by No One of Consequence
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To: jlogajan
Exactly, the difference is that we have 10,000 specials ops in Iraq that are finding the targets and locations for our planes to hit. Where as in Kosovo we did not. It is a whole lot harder to hide from us than it was in Kosovo. Plus our damage assesments as probably coming from direct on the ground special ops reports, a whole lot more reliable than the foriegn military sources.

I'm surprised Stratfor completely ignores this

Of course, that is not to say that our military isn't releasing inflated and overly optimistic numbers to the press, they always do that, so we do have to take certain amount of discount to the numbers they provide, but no way it is 5%, no way.
19 posted on 03/31/2003 8:16:48 PM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: WRhine
JDAMS are high altitude but precise. Also, we have been usiing the apaches and a10s.

Finally, the AC 130s have been used in Najar and further south.

Stratfor used to be good, but they have really gotten anti-war and anti american.
20 posted on 03/31/2003 8:17:45 PM PST by fooman (Free NASA! Save NASA!)
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