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Jewish lawmakers threaten walk-out over reference to Jesus
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | April 3, 2003 | Diana Lynne

Posted on 04/03/2003 6:25:58 PM PST by honway

A Maryland minister was barred from giving the opening prayer in the state Senate after he refused to drop a reference to Jesus.

The Rev. David N. Hughes of the Trinity and Evangelical Church of Adamstown, Md., intended to round out his invocation yesterday with the line, "In Jesus' name, Amen." But the sergeant at arms – on the orders of Senate President Thomas Mike Miller Jr. – shut the reverend out of the body's chambers.

Miller issued the orders after two Jewish lawmakers threatened to stage a boycott of the legislative session if the phrase was not removed.

"I'm shocked by the response. I've never had this happen in 26 years," Hughes told the Frederick News-Post. "It just makes me feel that they've taken away my right as an American to pray, and this is the seat of government, and that's scary."

The pastor – a Vietnam veteran – was invited to give the prayer by Republican Sen. Alex Mooney. Hughes was Mooney's fourth guest. The other three were Jewish rabbis.

Opening up legislative sessions with prayer is a longstanding tradition in Maryland, as it is in states across the country. Mooney told WorldNetDaily no one had been barred from giving an invocation before. He sees irony in yesterday's "censorship."

Maryland state Republican Rep. Alex Mooney

"We were the first state to address religious tolerance in our state charter," he told WorldNetDaily. "This just shows a lack of tolerance for peoples' religious views."

Mooney recalled numerous instances of invocations referencing Jesus throughout the four years that he has been in office.

But at the beginning of the session this year, a string of invocations by Baptist preachers invoking the name Jesus Christ sparked debate on the issue. Miller appealed to lawmakers for tolerance and urged they stick to guidelines that call for invocations to be of an ecumenical nature and respectful of all faiths.

Webster's New World Dictionary defines ecumenical as "promoting cooperation or better understanding among differing religious faiths."

Since the debate, the Senate clerk screens prayers ahead of time and flagged the written text submitted by Hughes.

When Sens. Ida Ruben and Gloria Hollinger – both of whom are Jewish – heard of the reference, they asked Mooney to strike it.

"I said, 'Hey, I'll let him pray however he wants to pray. I'm not going to censor him and tell him how he needs to pray,'" Mooney told WND.

Ruben told the Frederick News-Post she then urged Hughes to substitute "messiah" for Jesus, telling him the reference could offend non-Christians and goes against the guidelines.

Neither Ruben nor Miller returned calls seeking comment.

"This is part of my faith," Hughes responded, according to Mooney. "The Gospel says when you pray, pray in Jesus' name."

The senators next asked to be excused from the floor during the prayer.

Paradoxically, a walk-out over a Muslim cleric's prayer opening a Washington state legislative session last month backfired on one Christian lawmaker.

Washington state Republican Rep. Lois McMahan

As WorldNetDaily reported, Rep. Lois McMahan, a Republican from Gig Harbor, Wash., refused to participate in the prayer and declared, "My god is not Muhammed."

"The Islamic religion is so ... part and parcel with the attack on America. I just didn't want to be there, be a part of that," she said in an interview with the Seattle Post Intelligencer. "Even though the mainstream Islamic religion doesn't profess to hate America, nonetheless it spawns the groups that hate America."

But a day later, McMahan apologized on the floor of the state House of Representatives amid mounting furor over her stance.

Debate over invocations is raging elsewhere in the country. As WorldNetDaily reported, several Southern California cities are grappling with threats from both sides of the issue.

Under pressure from the American Civil Liberties Union to quit using the name Jesus Christ in invocations, the city of Lake Elsinore, in Riverside County, decided to eliminate mention of "religious figures." The decree subsequently had the apparent effect of eliminating the prayer altogether, as no local pastors would accept invitations to deliver the prayer, and city councilors adopted moments of silence instead.

The ACLU contends that praying at the request of a government entity is a violation of the First Amendment's prohibition against the establishment of religion.

But the nonprofit United States Justice Foundation, which threatened to sue the city if it failed to reverse its decision, maintains telling a pastor what to pray is a violation of his First Amendment rights to freedom of speech and religion.

The notion of "separation of church and state" is derived from the dissenting opinion of the 1946 Supreme Court case Everson vs. Board of Education, which upheld a program allowing parents to be repaid from state funds for the costs of transportation to private religious schools. The court required only that the state maintain neutrality in its relations with various groups of religious believers.

"The decision in Everson does not rise to the level of being a battle cry for those who would wish to remove every vestige of religion from the public forum," USJF litigation counsel Richard Ackerman asserts.

"There's a push in this country to remove religion from society," Mooney echoed, "from the Supreme Court's decision on the Pledge to the ACLU going after all the Ten Commandments posted across the country. ... Nothing in the church-state relationship allows censorship and the removal of religious values from society."


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To: mlmr
I disagree. When a rabbi offers a convocation he prays his own way and a Christian should pray his. Tolerance is being polite in the face of something you dont agree with.

Yes, but not in this setting. The purpose of a convocation is for it to be directed towards everyone who are listening. The fact not everyone was Christain made it inappropriate, in my Jewish opinion, to refrence Jesus. He should have just chosen something that did not have this reference.

121 posted on 04/03/2003 7:04:34 PM PST by yonif
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To: sinkspur
..here's no reason to be in anybody's face about one's religion...

'In your face', with an opening prayer. LOL!

Sinky, you're as predictable as the tide.

122 posted on 04/03/2003 7:05:02 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: DoughtyOne
This is a Christian nation, but I do not think they should be forced to listen.

This nation was founded on Christian principles by deeply religious people. It is not the same thing as to say that this is a Christian nation. If I am not a Christian --- does not make me a part of this nation?

123 posted on 04/03/2003 7:05:14 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: Beacon Falls
Hey...get over here...you'll like this one!
125 posted on 04/03/2003 7:05:27 PM PST by nothingnew
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To: sinkspur
Yeah, right.

Aziz Al-Taee has attended a number of our Patriot's Rallys.

He refers to Allah. It offends me. But I tolerate it because Aziz is a true friend. His heart is in the right place.

Even if Islam is a cult.

126 posted on 04/03/2003 7:05:37 PM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
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To: honway
Snotty liberal JINOs.
127 posted on 04/03/2003 7:05:55 PM PST by rmlew ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: DoughtyOne
This was NOT the time or place to try to make a statement of this kind. I don't believe you respect another religion by highlighting differences.

If these Jewish people had come to this ministers Church as his guest, and heard him pray in the name of Jesus Christ, and then chose to be offended, I'd agree they were off-base.

But that's not where they were.
128 posted on 04/03/2003 7:06:03 PM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: TopQuark
Have you ever read the New Testament?
130 posted on 04/03/2003 7:06:21 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (Yes, let us allow the economies of gerdung, frunk, mexiztlan, chirushcom and canadastan to wither...)
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To: Illbay
This wasn't ABOUT his faith, it was about providing a service for others.

A 'service'? Like fixing the plumbing?

How is a clergyman supposed to separate his faith from his public prayer? That's insane.

131 posted on 04/03/2003 7:06:55 PM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, Zoolander)
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To: Servant of the Nine
Keep in mind that most of the "Christians" in the country make no attempt to lead a Christian life. If they go to church, it is because the neighbors expect it, or to make business contacts or for the socializing. They are nominal Christians because mommy and Daddy are nominal Christians and they haven't enough originality in them to think about religion or what they believe or don't.

You're right, that's a fair point to make.

132 posted on 04/03/2003 7:07:09 PM PST by Hoppean
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To: ALS
Can I copy that? I don't want to make any mistakes. ROTFL
133 posted on 04/03/2003 7:07:10 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: honway
Totally different point of view

http://www.sunspot.net/news/local/bal-md.prayer03apr03,0,2538672.story?coll=bal-local-headlines

Jews seem to have had very little to do with it and tried to help.
134 posted on 04/03/2003 7:07:24 PM PST by Courier
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To: muawiyah; tgslTakoma; Pippin; George Frm Br00klyn Park; Abundy; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; GunsareOK
"Or, maybe the Maryland House could just abandon invocations and prayer - it's about the smarmiest bunch of politicians in America anyway - way beyond God's, or Jesus' help."

There's truth in that.

135 posted on 04/03/2003 7:07:29 PM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
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To: Servant of the Nine; sinkspur
Spoken like the religious people of a false works faith I hear over and over again...
136 posted on 04/03/2003 7:07:47 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (Yes, let us allow the economies of gerdung, frunk, mexiztlan, chirushcom and canadastan to wither...)
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To: Thinkin' Gal
'Pod is not an adversary of Judah.
137 posted on 04/03/2003 7:08:35 PM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
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To: SickOfItAll
That's absolute BS, this country was founded on CHRISTIAN principles. What BS history have you been tought??? But, I agree, it's definately not a Christian country anymore. I don't know what it is.

Who came first? Jews or Christians?

138 posted on 04/03/2003 7:08:47 PM PST by yonif
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To: yonif
...I agree with the Jewish people there. They should have removed references to Jesus....

So when the chips are down, you'll stand with a couple of intolerant liberal Democrats, as long as they're Jewish?

139 posted on 04/03/2003 7:09:06 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: TopQuark
In answer to your question of finding an acceptable prayer for a mixed group (noting that you've heard plenty of ministers come up with them), you need to know that not all Protestant denominations believe the same things, or deal with commonly held religious traditions in the same way.

For example, there's the issue of headgear in church, or during prayers. Most Christian groups don't come down on it one way or the other. Some believe that headgear is idolotrous.

The deal is that if Mr. Miller and other bigots want to keep hard-core fundamentalist Christian ministers out of the Maryland State legislature, all they have to do is make the "In Jesus Name" business a big issue. Notice that Miller blames it on the Jews - we fully expect him to acquire a monopoly on the sale of armbands in the near future.

140 posted on 04/03/2003 7:09:19 PM PST by muawiyah
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