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Jewish lawmakers threaten walk-out over reference to Jesus
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | April 3, 2003 | Diana Lynne

Posted on 04/03/2003 6:25:58 PM PST by honway

A Maryland minister was barred from giving the opening prayer in the state Senate after he refused to drop a reference to Jesus.

The Rev. David N. Hughes of the Trinity and Evangelical Church of Adamstown, Md., intended to round out his invocation yesterday with the line, "In Jesus' name, Amen." But the sergeant at arms – on the orders of Senate President Thomas Mike Miller Jr. – shut the reverend out of the body's chambers.

Miller issued the orders after two Jewish lawmakers threatened to stage a boycott of the legislative session if the phrase was not removed.

"I'm shocked by the response. I've never had this happen in 26 years," Hughes told the Frederick News-Post. "It just makes me feel that they've taken away my right as an American to pray, and this is the seat of government, and that's scary."

The pastor – a Vietnam veteran – was invited to give the prayer by Republican Sen. Alex Mooney. Hughes was Mooney's fourth guest. The other three were Jewish rabbis.

Opening up legislative sessions with prayer is a longstanding tradition in Maryland, as it is in states across the country. Mooney told WorldNetDaily no one had been barred from giving an invocation before. He sees irony in yesterday's "censorship."

Maryland state Republican Rep. Alex Mooney

"We were the first state to address religious tolerance in our state charter," he told WorldNetDaily. "This just shows a lack of tolerance for peoples' religious views."

Mooney recalled numerous instances of invocations referencing Jesus throughout the four years that he has been in office.

But at the beginning of the session this year, a string of invocations by Baptist preachers invoking the name Jesus Christ sparked debate on the issue. Miller appealed to lawmakers for tolerance and urged they stick to guidelines that call for invocations to be of an ecumenical nature and respectful of all faiths.

Webster's New World Dictionary defines ecumenical as "promoting cooperation or better understanding among differing religious faiths."

Since the debate, the Senate clerk screens prayers ahead of time and flagged the written text submitted by Hughes.

When Sens. Ida Ruben and Gloria Hollinger – both of whom are Jewish – heard of the reference, they asked Mooney to strike it.

"I said, 'Hey, I'll let him pray however he wants to pray. I'm not going to censor him and tell him how he needs to pray,'" Mooney told WND.

Ruben told the Frederick News-Post she then urged Hughes to substitute "messiah" for Jesus, telling him the reference could offend non-Christians and goes against the guidelines.

Neither Ruben nor Miller returned calls seeking comment.

"This is part of my faith," Hughes responded, according to Mooney. "The Gospel says when you pray, pray in Jesus' name."

The senators next asked to be excused from the floor during the prayer.

Paradoxically, a walk-out over a Muslim cleric's prayer opening a Washington state legislative session last month backfired on one Christian lawmaker.

Washington state Republican Rep. Lois McMahan

As WorldNetDaily reported, Rep. Lois McMahan, a Republican from Gig Harbor, Wash., refused to participate in the prayer and declared, "My god is not Muhammed."

"The Islamic religion is so ... part and parcel with the attack on America. I just didn't want to be there, be a part of that," she said in an interview with the Seattle Post Intelligencer. "Even though the mainstream Islamic religion doesn't profess to hate America, nonetheless it spawns the groups that hate America."

But a day later, McMahan apologized on the floor of the state House of Representatives amid mounting furor over her stance.

Debate over invocations is raging elsewhere in the country. As WorldNetDaily reported, several Southern California cities are grappling with threats from both sides of the issue.

Under pressure from the American Civil Liberties Union to quit using the name Jesus Christ in invocations, the city of Lake Elsinore, in Riverside County, decided to eliminate mention of "religious figures." The decree subsequently had the apparent effect of eliminating the prayer altogether, as no local pastors would accept invitations to deliver the prayer, and city councilors adopted moments of silence instead.

The ACLU contends that praying at the request of a government entity is a violation of the First Amendment's prohibition against the establishment of religion.

But the nonprofit United States Justice Foundation, which threatened to sue the city if it failed to reverse its decision, maintains telling a pastor what to pray is a violation of his First Amendment rights to freedom of speech and religion.

The notion of "separation of church and state" is derived from the dissenting opinion of the 1946 Supreme Court case Everson vs. Board of Education, which upheld a program allowing parents to be repaid from state funds for the costs of transportation to private religious schools. The court required only that the state maintain neutrality in its relations with various groups of religious believers.

"The decision in Everson does not rise to the level of being a battle cry for those who would wish to remove every vestige of religion from the public forum," USJF litigation counsel Richard Ackerman asserts.

"There's a push in this country to remove religion from society," Mooney echoed, "from the Supreme Court's decision on the Pledge to the ACLU going after all the Ten Commandments posted across the country. ... Nothing in the church-state relationship allows censorship and the removal of religious values from society."


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To: TopQuark
I can only say that I am not an expert on religion. I do know what I was taught and what I believe. A "Christian", believes in Jesus Christ as their savior. They also believe in the scriptures, which states you always pray to God in the name of Jesus. There is at least, one TV Minister that never mentions the name of Jesus. I don't consider him a Christian.

Their are some TV Ministers that do pray to Jesus Christ that I don't consider Christians either.

581 posted on 04/04/2003 9:21:44 AM PST by auggy
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To: sauropod; Bella_Bru
Good afternoon to you too. It looks like your post was supposed to go to Bella (she asked the question in #460).
582 posted on 04/04/2003 9:24:07 AM PST by TopQuark
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To: auggy
Ok, you give at least an honest answer: the Chaplain on Capitol Hill is not a true Christian. I respect your opinion, but I have serious doubt that it is correct. We can agree to diagree here.

THanks for your post.

583 posted on 04/04/2003 9:27:29 AM PST by TopQuark
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To: SendShaqtoIraq
Demographically, they won't be much longer.
584 posted on 04/04/2003 9:28:50 AM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
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To: Wrigley; Alex Murphy; drstevej; Corin Stormhands; ksen; CARepubGal
see 578

Sir Wrigley is worthy of the loyal order....Alex, please confer upon him the status of "weatherman", and congratulations wrigley, blessings unto you. Please reference my homepage for thy semi secret greeting

585 posted on 04/04/2003 9:30:13 AM PST by Revelation 911 (Flocci non facio)
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To: honway
Thank you.
586 posted on 04/04/2003 9:38:14 AM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
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To: honway
BTW, I wonder if Michael Newdow is a Jew. I know he is an atheist. Serious question.
587 posted on 04/04/2003 9:38:56 AM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
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To: Wrigley; Revelation 911; drstevej; CCWoody; RnMomof7; CARepubGal; ksen; fishtank; Alex Murphy
Ruh roh! You said the "M-word."
588 posted on 04/04/2003 9:40:42 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (Support Our Troops)
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To: rattrap
"Christian nation" <> "Congress shall make no law....

Actually, given the current reach of Leviathan, I would be much happier if Congress didn't make any laws ;-).

589 posted on 04/04/2003 9:41:14 AM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
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To: TopQuark
OK I had a senior moment LOL!
590 posted on 04/04/2003 9:42:35 AM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
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To: CARepubGal
You mean the SBC "ministers" that fanned out in Salt Lake City a few years ago to "save the Mormons"?

Well, as it happens, they got a cordial reception.

Yeah, I'm sure it chapped their b*tts, too.
591 posted on 04/04/2003 9:56:45 AM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: newguy357
This wasn't about "truth," it was about propriety.

Under other circumstances it would be most appropriate to testify of what the minister might consider "the truth."

This wasn't one of those circumstances.
592 posted on 04/04/2003 9:59:00 AM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: F-117A
He wasn't invited to prosletyze.
593 posted on 04/04/2003 10:00:04 AM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: CCWoody
So Jews pray to "nobody"?

(Oops, forgot to address my post to your entire gang. Oh, well, I hope they won't be offended).
594 posted on 04/04/2003 10:02:34 AM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: carton253
It isn't appropriate. This was not a church service, and the audience included people of many faiths. He was the invited guest, not they.
595 posted on 04/04/2003 10:04:06 AM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: Hacksaw
I have often suspected that you people consider "Southern Heritage" to be a cult, a religion.

Your comment reinforces my suspicion.
596 posted on 04/04/2003 10:05:37 AM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: CaptainJustice
Okay, so they stop inviting certain Christian ministers, and then everyone is poorer.

What a great idea.

I abhor this attitude on the part of many "christians" that "in your face" is What Jesus Would Do.
597 posted on 04/04/2003 10:06:49 AM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: sauropod
maybe they should just make 1 more...

enforce the %&$*#ing laws on the books now, and they can all take a much needed (cough...) vacation, until it's budget or war time again.

598 posted on 04/04/2003 10:09:36 AM PST by rattrap
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To: Illbay
Yeah, I'm sure it chapped their b*tts, too.

What is it with your fascination with the male posterior?

599 posted on 04/04/2003 10:13:11 AM PST by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum!)
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To: Illbay
Rev. Hughes did nothing wrong, and no apology is necessary.

Jesus is the foundation of the Christian faith. To invoke his name at the end of a prayer is not only traditional among Evangelicals but also demonstrative of the Christian's belief in Jesus' holiness and sovereignty.



600 posted on 04/04/2003 10:14:55 AM PST by k2blader ("Mercy, detached from Justice, grows unmerciful." - C. S. Lewis)
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