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Jewish lawmakers threaten walk-out over reference to Jesus
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | April 3, 2003 | Diana Lynne

Posted on 04/03/2003 6:25:58 PM PST by honway

A Maryland minister was barred from giving the opening prayer in the state Senate after he refused to drop a reference to Jesus.

The Rev. David N. Hughes of the Trinity and Evangelical Church of Adamstown, Md., intended to round out his invocation yesterday with the line, "In Jesus' name, Amen." But the sergeant at arms – on the orders of Senate President Thomas Mike Miller Jr. – shut the reverend out of the body's chambers.

Miller issued the orders after two Jewish lawmakers threatened to stage a boycott of the legislative session if the phrase was not removed.

"I'm shocked by the response. I've never had this happen in 26 years," Hughes told the Frederick News-Post. "It just makes me feel that they've taken away my right as an American to pray, and this is the seat of government, and that's scary."

The pastor – a Vietnam veteran – was invited to give the prayer by Republican Sen. Alex Mooney. Hughes was Mooney's fourth guest. The other three were Jewish rabbis.

Opening up legislative sessions with prayer is a longstanding tradition in Maryland, as it is in states across the country. Mooney told WorldNetDaily no one had been barred from giving an invocation before. He sees irony in yesterday's "censorship."

Maryland state Republican Rep. Alex Mooney

"We were the first state to address religious tolerance in our state charter," he told WorldNetDaily. "This just shows a lack of tolerance for peoples' religious views."

Mooney recalled numerous instances of invocations referencing Jesus throughout the four years that he has been in office.

But at the beginning of the session this year, a string of invocations by Baptist preachers invoking the name Jesus Christ sparked debate on the issue. Miller appealed to lawmakers for tolerance and urged they stick to guidelines that call for invocations to be of an ecumenical nature and respectful of all faiths.

Webster's New World Dictionary defines ecumenical as "promoting cooperation or better understanding among differing religious faiths."

Since the debate, the Senate clerk screens prayers ahead of time and flagged the written text submitted by Hughes.

When Sens. Ida Ruben and Gloria Hollinger – both of whom are Jewish – heard of the reference, they asked Mooney to strike it.

"I said, 'Hey, I'll let him pray however he wants to pray. I'm not going to censor him and tell him how he needs to pray,'" Mooney told WND.

Ruben told the Frederick News-Post she then urged Hughes to substitute "messiah" for Jesus, telling him the reference could offend non-Christians and goes against the guidelines.

Neither Ruben nor Miller returned calls seeking comment.

"This is part of my faith," Hughes responded, according to Mooney. "The Gospel says when you pray, pray in Jesus' name."

The senators next asked to be excused from the floor during the prayer.

Paradoxically, a walk-out over a Muslim cleric's prayer opening a Washington state legislative session last month backfired on one Christian lawmaker.

Washington state Republican Rep. Lois McMahan

As WorldNetDaily reported, Rep. Lois McMahan, a Republican from Gig Harbor, Wash., refused to participate in the prayer and declared, "My god is not Muhammed."

"The Islamic religion is so ... part and parcel with the attack on America. I just didn't want to be there, be a part of that," she said in an interview with the Seattle Post Intelligencer. "Even though the mainstream Islamic religion doesn't profess to hate America, nonetheless it spawns the groups that hate America."

But a day later, McMahan apologized on the floor of the state House of Representatives amid mounting furor over her stance.

Debate over invocations is raging elsewhere in the country. As WorldNetDaily reported, several Southern California cities are grappling with threats from both sides of the issue.

Under pressure from the American Civil Liberties Union to quit using the name Jesus Christ in invocations, the city of Lake Elsinore, in Riverside County, decided to eliminate mention of "religious figures." The decree subsequently had the apparent effect of eliminating the prayer altogether, as no local pastors would accept invitations to deliver the prayer, and city councilors adopted moments of silence instead.

The ACLU contends that praying at the request of a government entity is a violation of the First Amendment's prohibition against the establishment of religion.

But the nonprofit United States Justice Foundation, which threatened to sue the city if it failed to reverse its decision, maintains telling a pastor what to pray is a violation of his First Amendment rights to freedom of speech and religion.

The notion of "separation of church and state" is derived from the dissenting opinion of the 1946 Supreme Court case Everson vs. Board of Education, which upheld a program allowing parents to be repaid from state funds for the costs of transportation to private religious schools. The court required only that the state maintain neutrality in its relations with various groups of religious believers.

"The decision in Everson does not rise to the level of being a battle cry for those who would wish to remove every vestige of religion from the public forum," USJF litigation counsel Richard Ackerman asserts.

"There's a push in this country to remove religion from society," Mooney echoed, "from the Supreme Court's decision on the Pledge to the ACLU going after all the Ten Commandments posted across the country. ... Nothing in the church-state relationship allows censorship and the removal of religious values from society."


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; christians; ecumenical; hypocrites; jews; liberals; maryland; silliness; watereddown
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To: Illbay
He wasn't invited to prosletyze.

So to say "In Jesus' name, Amen." is "proselytizing"?

If your answer is "yes," there's no need for further argument as yours would be ludicrous.

601 posted on 04/04/2003 10:22:35 AM PST by k2blader ("Mercy, detached from Justice, grows unmerciful." - C. S. Lewis)
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To: Illbay
The solution is quite simple. Simply invoke the name of Gumby and everyone nobody will be offended.........
602 posted on 04/04/2003 10:22:48 AM PST by tracer (/b>)
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To: tracer
Correction: "Nobody will be offended."
603 posted on 04/04/2003 10:24:09 AM PST by tracer (/b>)
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To: Illbay
I have often suspected that you people consider "Southern Heritage" to be a cult, a religion.

Your comment reinforces my suspicion.

I was hoping for a more tolerant response from you, considering the fact that slandering Southern Heritage supporters would seem to go against your values.

604 posted on 04/04/2003 10:27:46 AM PST by Hacksaw
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To: sauropod
Newdow......Born Jewish
605 posted on 04/04/2003 10:30:24 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Illbay
"Nothing chaps my hide more than someone trying to PUSH their beliefs on someone else when it isn't invited or appropriate"

Hmmm... the Maryland Senate asked an evangelical minister to participate in the opening of the senate with prayer, as part of an ecumunical service. I guess they should have told the minister that he had to pray by "politically correct" standards, so as not to offend. More than likely, the minister would have said no thanks... that's not a real prayer. Don't ask for a prayer when you're really wanting a religious sounding, pious speech reflecting a meaningless, homongenous beliefs.
606 posted on 04/04/2003 10:35:54 AM PST by Sweet Hour of Prayer
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To: Bella_Bru
G-d? Which God? The God of the bible? The god that Satan worshipers use? The God of Sunshine? Maybe Thor, he was a Greek God right? God is a descriptive term and not a name. I know that the Jesus said that his fathers name should be halowed or made important, it's too bad that it has rather been ommited.
607 posted on 04/04/2003 10:37:02 AM PST by Beacon Falls
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To: honway
Jewish lawmakers threaten walk-out over reference to Jesus

Pretty funny considering that because of its opposition to believers in Jesus as the Messiah, Judaism since the first century has not been the same Judaism as that up until the first century. It has almost become an article of faith that to be a "real" Jew one must disbelieve that Jesus was the Messiah. Judaism since the first century has been profoundly shaped by its reaction to Christian theology. It would be interesting to contrast pre-Christian Jewish references to prophecies about the Messiah with post-Christian references to see which were no longer cited because to do so would be to support the Christian claim that Jesus was the Messiah.
608 posted on 04/04/2003 10:43:51 AM PST by aruanan
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To: Illbay
What I would like to know is whether the Jews are religious or not, or whether they are stalking horses for the ACLU.
609 posted on 04/04/2003 10:58:33 AM PST by RobbyS
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To: Illbay
He was a Christian Pastor who was invited to pray... And as a Christian Pastor, invited to pray, he was going to pray in the name of Jesus.

It is appropriate...

What is inappropriate is the fact that 2 politicians are so thin-skinned that they had to protest...

What is this country reducing itself too.

610 posted on 04/04/2003 11:03:50 AM PST by carton253 (You are free to form your own opinions, but not your own facts.)
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To: dennisw
Unfortunately, my hunch was correct.
611 posted on 04/04/2003 11:11:56 AM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
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To: aruanan
Yep. But the Jews are still the historical "Chosen People." As Christians we can never forget that. We should support a truly religious Israel. The secular Israel that exists today we must support while holding our nose.
613 posted on 04/04/2003 11:14:15 AM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
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To: FITZ
Ecumenical is too much like political correctness and multiculturalism. Everything ends up being a bland mush and everyone is way too oversensitive.

BUMP.

614 posted on 04/04/2003 11:17:52 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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To: Cato the Censor
Christians pray IN THE NAME OF JESUS, not a far-flung nebulous God. We are told to pray IN HIS NAME. We don't fuss if the Jews want to pray to their G-d (who is our God, too). There's such a spiritual warfare going on. This is sad. Christians are the Jews' best friends. We don't need this kind of quibbling. It's infantile.
615 posted on 04/04/2003 11:24:01 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
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To: DannyTN
The Muslim god doesn't exist! They pray to the empty spaces around them when they call down the name of Allah. He just isn't there. He was fashioned from some moon god that Muhammed made up.
616 posted on 04/04/2003 11:26:23 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
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To: sauropod
Hehe ... It (Michael Newdow) bothers me more than it bothers you.
617 posted on 04/04/2003 11:27:12 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Marysecretary
"We don't need this kind of quibbling. It's infantile."

Yes, it is.

618 posted on 04/04/2003 11:27:51 AM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
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To: dennisw
I suspected he would ;-).
619 posted on 04/04/2003 11:28:31 AM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
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To: 1 spark
Not necessarily, spark. The muslims believe in Allah who doesn't even exist. Many others worship the god of money, fame, greed, lust, power...they knoweth NOT God.
620 posted on 04/04/2003 11:29:19 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
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