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The anti-war crowd has some explaining to do
Townhall ^ | 4/11/03 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 04/11/2003 6:02:47 AM PDT by benjaminthomas

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I want to rub it in the anti-war crowd's face so badly.

Boy, so do I. So do I.

1 posted on 04/11/2003 6:02:48 AM PDT by benjaminthomas
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2 posted on 04/11/2003 6:03:43 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: benjaminthomas
I leave their glum silence to speak for itself.
3 posted on 04/11/2003 6:04:46 AM PDT by goldstategop (Lara Logan Doesn't Hold A Candle Next To BellyGirl :))
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To: benjaminthomas
Oh come on now, everybody knows this war was all about oil.

At least that's what the Germans would like us to think.


4 posted on 04/11/2003 6:04:47 AM PDT by unixfox (Close the borders, problem solved !)
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C.A.N.S.W.E.R.'s stated goals for marching Saturday are corporate greed, Fox News, and the "pro-war" media. I kid you not.
5 posted on 04/11/2003 6:08:34 AM PDT by sauropod (I'm a man... But I can change... If I have to.... I guess...................)
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To: benjaminthomas
The communist front group ANSWER is still organizing "Stop the War" rallies

Is this a tactic towards accomplishing their long ago stated objective of taking America without firing a single shot?
6 posted on 04/11/2003 6:21:33 AM PDT by rj45mis
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To: benjaminthomas
Goldberg and many other miss the point: Anti-War protesters find the defense of Western Civilization unacceptable.

They didn't protest Haiti, Somalia, Kosovo, or Bosnia because Western Civilization was not at risk. They protest Vietnam, the Cold War, Afghanistan and Iraq because those conflicts promoted Western security.

In so far as Bush is willing to defend Civilization they are anti-Bush. And, Republicans tend to prosecute wars only when National Security is at risk. Democrats since Vietnam have only promoted conflicts where no National Security was at stake. So, it is coincidental that they protest Bush.

Imagine Clinton prosecuting a War against Saddam. First, he wouldn't because it actually protects civilization. Second, the anti-war crowd would suddenly turn anti-Clinton like they turned anti-Johnson during Vietnam.

How can purported Liberals make common cause with Islamofascists? Because both first require the destruction of Western Civilization in order to found their respective dystopias.

Anti-Bushism is a cover story for opponents of Western Civilization.

7 posted on 04/11/2003 6:23:19 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Wheat is Murder! (Tilling slaughters worms.....))
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He's being far too kind. The Anti-War crowd is far worse than he imagines. Fools, yes. But very much anti-American fools. A point that should never be forgotten. Jonah seems to have forgotten it.
8 posted on 04/11/2003 6:25:08 AM PDT by samtheman
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I'm not sure he's forgotten it, I think perhaps he's trying to be "nice" in the hopes of reaching a wider audience for his argument. But the point is well taken -- ever vigilant.
9 posted on 04/11/2003 6:28:57 AM PDT by benjaminthomas
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To: sauropod
I saw that last night, as I happened to be checking out the seedier, darker side of the internet at the time. I don't think this rapid adjustment is going to help them - like it or not, this war is essentially over, and at three weeks, its duration fits nicely into the limits of the attention spans of the well-meaning but naive college-student types who made up the bulk of the anti-war demonstrators. And now that the war is out of the way, most of them will discover that they don't have a whole hell of a lot else in common with the people who are organizing these demonstrations, particularly the whole revolutionary-vanguard-of-the-proletariat bit.

My prediction is that they can forget the notion of millions of marchers tomorrow - they'll be damn lucky to get 10,000 people in DC, and they'll almost all be the usual hardcore activists that have been protesting stuff since Reagan's first term. Tyler and Brittany Campus will be too busy trying to figure out how they're going to explain to Mom why they put the cost of attending all these rallies on her VISA...

10 posted on 04/11/2003 6:33:59 AM PDT by general_re (Today is a day for firm decisions! Or is it?)
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Of course you're right. Jonah knows as well as any of us the anti-American spirit of the American left.

He's just making a different point with his article while I was just repeating the obvious.

The guy's an excellent writer and never misses a beat. He was aiming this piece more at the leftists themselves, hoping to stir some contrition in their stone cold hateful hearts.

Not bloodly likely.
11 posted on 04/11/2003 6:39:43 AM PDT by samtheman
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Second, the anti-war crowd would suddenly turn anti-Clinton like they turned anti-Johnson during Vietnam.

Ummm...one problem with that rationale...they supported Clinton's actions in 1998 when he was making noise about Saddam and WMD. Sometimes things are just as simple as they seem...the bottom line is that they just flat-out hate Bush and Republicans.

12 posted on 04/11/2003 6:43:00 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: benjaminthomas
Watch C-SPAN tomorrow. They have been covering these "anti-war" demonstrations all along. I got suspended for commenting on the last one.
13 posted on 04/11/2003 6:49:09 AM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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He told me that the main reason he still couldn't support the war -- even though he conceded the brutality of Saddam Hussein and acknowledged the joy of the Iraqi people -- was that he simply didn't trust George W. Bush.

I have searched my memory for any untrustworthy action that George Bush has done - and I can't think of a single one. This bozo doesn't trust Bush because he has been told the Republicans are evil and liberals say that Bush can't be trusted.

These folks aren't worth troubling over. They aren't capable of independent thought. They think with feelings rather than facts. Forget about them and move on.

14 posted on 04/11/2003 6:49:18 AM PDT by Toskrin
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These folks aren't worth troubling over. They aren't capable of independent thought. They think with feelings rather than facts. Forget about them and move on.

Thank you for promoting sanity, maturity, and dignity.

15 posted on 04/11/2003 6:54:15 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excessive legislation.)
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These folks aren't worth troubling over.

Yes and no. Some of them aren't worth troubling over. But think of how many ex-liberals are now conservatives. Ignoring them (and political reality) is what capital-L Libertarians have done, to no visible success. But big-tent actions got Reagan and GWB elected.

16 posted on 04/11/2003 6:59:36 AM PDT by benjaminthomas
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These folks aren't worth troubling over.

I pretty much agree with that sentiment, however I think a serious look at who they're being financed by (Noth Korea) and what they represent (communism) should merit some serious attention. Their organizational apparatus is a little bit too effective when they can mobilize 100's of thousands of fellow travellers to stage protest/riots in the streets and shut down parts of major cities. I would like to see some effort to dismantle these organizations.

17 posted on 04/11/2003 7:14:24 AM PDT by Brett66
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I don't know if anyone else was watching Brent Humes's Fox Report yesterday but during one segment they showed a Sky News video of these anti-war types in Iraq.

A small group of Marines were calmly doing a search through one of the hotels in the Baghdad region. All the while there was this vally girl type following them every where they went screaming,

"..THEY'RE HERE TO KILL YOU! THEY ARE KILLING WOMEN AND CHILDREN! THEY WANT TO KILL YOU!..",
over and friggen over again. This loud mouth peace-wench was a carbon copy of every lying, spoiled rotten, "anti-war" protester you've ever seen.

Now, to the Marine’s credit, they simply ignored her, secured the area, and then left. But the cameraman stopped and panned over to a family that was staying at the hotel that were visibly shaken. The Marines had already left the room but PeaceWench walked over to the family and started yelling at them,

“THEY ARE GOING TO KILL YOU!..”
At that point the camera focused in on the face of the families darling little girl, three to five years old, shaking uncontrollably. Her pupils were dilated and it looked like she was too scared to even scream.

That brief moment encapsulated everything one needs to understand about the anti-war protestors.

18 posted on 04/11/2003 7:17:50 AM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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Seems to me we did stop the war. We did it by means of superior strategy, tactics, training and technology and we did it quickly and relatively cheaply in terms of human lives and material destruction. The antiwar crowd are outraged because we did it by achieving victory instead of retreat.

I note with interest their absence from the streets, both local and foreign, when our emabassies, ships and buildings were bombed. I note that the 'human shields' fled their posts when the ordinance began to fly. I note that the principles they espouse are at wide variance from the principles they practice. All of which means that there is another agenda at play here, one that is, in many, even most cases (excepting the clueless tagalongs), kept carfully under the table rather than on it.

One way to summarize that hidden agenda is this: "Down with us. All power is illegitimate, every exercise of power is immoral. The stronger the power the more immoral and illegitimate it is. Therefore all power must be brought low and replaced with something else, anything else so long as the power that was is no more. We (Americans) are powerful, as a nation the most powerful on the planet at this time. Therefore America is inherently immoral and illegitimate, and must be destroyed. Anyone who disagrees with or questions any part of this self evident truth is corrupted by power and discredited thereby."

This neo-Marxist philosophy is the cornerstone of the left's political agenda. I submit that if you look you can see the threads of it permeating their policies.

19 posted on 04/11/2003 7:42:08 AM PDT by tlrugit
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Therefore America is inherently immoral and illegitimate

The pot calling the kettle black, if you ask me. Especially, and specifically, with regard to the previous occupant of the Oval Office.

20 posted on 04/11/2003 7:51:24 AM PDT by benjaminthomas
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