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THE FAILED EDUCATION "REFORMS" (12-year old cuffed for puddle jumping)
NewsWithViews.com ^ | April 14, 2003 | Tom DeWeese

Posted on 04/13/2003 3:23:34 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay

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To: fight_truth_decay; *Homeschool_list; 2Jedismom; homeschool mama; BallandPowder; ffrancone; ...
late-night homeschool ping
101 posted on 04/13/2003 7:39:59 PM PDT by TxBec (Tag! You're it!)
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To: ladylib
This faith-based program is dangerous. I believe it's a ploy to get everyone under one big socialistic umbrella. "Who takes the king's gold is the king's man."

You don't know how many times and with what venom I have been attacked by posting that fact. Government money always has strings attached.

102 posted on 04/13/2003 7:41:19 PM PDT by nanny
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To: fight_truth_decay
I'm sorry but if it were my kid I'd bring him in turn to every adult involved and point to that adult (including the cop) and I'd say "son, this person is a fool. He has demonstrated is utter lack of adult intelligence, NEVER NEVER NEVER show him any respect again.
103 posted on 04/13/2003 7:43:33 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: *Donut watch
ping
104 posted on 04/13/2003 7:53:56 PM PDT by Henrietta
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To: nanny
If you want to cut through all of the BS and get to the heart of the problem, it mostly stems from the fact that most of a generation of children has been raised with nothing except a false sense of self-esteem from lazy parents. I am fully aware that there are inherent problems with the NEA and their Socialist policies, but the root of the problem is these children and their parents are what is ruining the school systems for the rest of us.

Give out vouchers, and all they will do is follow into the private schools and ruin those too.
105 posted on 04/13/2003 8:05:54 PM PDT by cspackler (I don't think the really heavy stuff's comin' down for quite a while.)
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To: fight_truth_decay
I would REALLY want to know what is the current mental condition of this boy? Did he graduate? Drop Out? Shot by Cop?
106 posted on 04/13/2003 8:11:28 PM PDT by steplock ( http://www.spadata.com)
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To: cspackler
Give out vouchers, and all they will do is follow into the private schools and ruin those too.

Well, as for the parents abdicating their responsibilities - you do have a point - however, many did not do it. Many had it taken from them. I am one. My children suffered much abuse by a school system because I fought this and tried to get things changed. It was a losing battle. When they have control of your children for the majority of their waking life, they have the upper hand.

As for the children ruining the public schools - that is true - but they will also bring the government to the schools believe me, the government is the one who ruined the public schools. I had children in the public school system for 23 years, I saw it changed and fought it every step of the way - so did a lot of others.

Parent apathy, and parent belief in the system, or just disbelief that in American our children could actually be harmed by our schools, are to blame for much of it. That is exactly the same thing that is to blame for our country's situation. We are either apathetic about the government or we are totally convinced they can cure all our ills. Both things are destructive.

107 posted on 04/13/2003 8:16:05 PM PDT by nanny
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To: cspackler
Give out vouchers, and all they will do is follow into the private schools and ruin those too.

That isn't true.

If you want to get parents involved in education, you give them some control. The current systems does not do that. It gives them some slogans and some pro-formas, but that that is all it does.

A voucher is real power. People will use them wisely.

108 posted on 04/13/2003 8:16:45 PM PDT by The Other Harry
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To: The Other Harry
If you want to get parents involved in education, you give them some control.

I agree with you completely on this point, parent control is an absolute necessity, as long as the parents are not some of the borderline psychotics that I've run into. As far as being used wisely, I may be a pessimist but I've lost faith in the intelligence of the general population. Spend an hour in the drivers license office some time and just people watch. I actually sat in the room waiting recently, and I kid you not 9 out of 10 of the people in the room were mesmerized by a video of a fish tank playing in the corners of the room. As I was watching this, a young man walked in with a t-shirt on that proudly proclaimed "F**K You!!", (without the asterisks...) and couldn't understand why the woman at the counter wouldn't help him. And I live in the heart of the midwest...

I do have to admit, however, that lately I have been running into more and more conservative minded parents of younger children, such as myself. Maybe the worm is turning...
109 posted on 04/13/2003 8:31:23 PM PDT by cspackler (I don't think the really heavy stuff's comin' down for quite a while.)
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To: fight_truth_decay
When I was young...I was that boy.. Foolin around and experimenting constantly.

As I see things the biggest problem with schools today is that thet have become institutions.
Kids need individual attention wether it is in studies, encouragement or discipline.
Large institutional schools cant possibly deliver that individual focus, and rely on blanket policies alone.

110 posted on 04/13/2003 8:33:55 PM PDT by mylife
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To: nanny
You may well be right. Since vouchers arent' even on the TABLE--instead, we're going to be voting on a lottery here in Oklahoma--we may never know! :-)
111 posted on 04/13/2003 8:38:24 PM PDT by ChemistCat (My new bumper sticker: MY OTHER DRIVER IS A ROCKET SCIENTIST)
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To: fight_truth_decay
I remember reading several months ago on FR about a German/Austrian essayist that wrote how abusive governments would use the enforcement of silly rules/regulations/laws as a tool to beat down a population's will for freedom and free thinking. I think he was from the 1800's. Does this sound familar to anyone. I've been trying to track this down as I would like to use his paper as a resource. Thanks in advance.
112 posted on 04/13/2003 8:43:42 PM PDT by tang-soo
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To: fight_truth_decay
If it only saves one puddle...
113 posted on 04/13/2003 8:48:57 PM PDT by 185JHP ( Brisance. Puissance. Resolve.)
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To: OldEagle; yooper
Sorry, missed your replies earlier. There were two pregnant 5th graders at my nearby elementary school. If they had been held back, they weren't held back much. They didn't look much older than 11 or 12.

They were only barely visibly pregnant at the end of the school year, but every kid knew they were pregnant by older (over 18) boyfriends. The principal and teachers and all parents knew. Official hands were tied because the parents wouldn't take the kids out of school or prosecute anybody. More than that I do not know--it was the end of the school year, and I put my kids in private school the following fall. I don't know if they came back in the fall or not.

It is sad, but many of the other girls expressed envy. A baby seemed to them to be a cool thing. Yep, babies are mighty cute little creatures.

As an aside: one of the 6th graders at my kids' private school was rumored to be pregnant this spring. I went directly to the principal as soon as I heard this rumor (from another parent.) He told me that the young lady comes from a very troubled home situation, that she is DEFINITELY not pregnant, and they were working with her to get her to stop acting out in front of the other kids. She herself was the source of the rumor, you see--she told all the other girls in the class that she thought she was pregnant, and of course even the 2nd graders knew about it by the end of the day. Small school. So my kids were put in charge of rumor-squashing--when someone tried to tell them about this, they firmly said, "The principal says it's not true and I won't gossip about (the girl's) private business."

We're running out of safety.
114 posted on 04/13/2003 8:53:49 PM PDT by ChemistCat (My new bumper sticker: MY OTHER DRIVER IS A ROCKET SCIENTIST)
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To: ChemistCat
Charter schools are now the subject of debate in Maine.
Visions of Potential Public Charter Schools in Maine
03/31/2003

Public charter schools are organized as non-profit charitable corporations and are freed from most of the rules that burden traditional public schools.Public schools, tuition-free, with no admissions test, and no religious affiliation. Schools of choice- Students and teachers choose a Public Charter School - no one is assigned.


Planning and Start-Up Funds: http://www.mainecharterschools.org/
115 posted on 04/13/2003 8:58:56 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay (occupied)
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To: ChemistCat
However, found the proposed potential charter for Portand interesting:

A new International middle school, Portland
Planning to open in fall of 2005, this school will emphasize the languages and cultures of several ethnic groups in Portland, especially those from Somalia, Cambodia, Bosnia, Ethiopia, and Hispanic countries. Major goals are to provide students with a personalized and meaningful curriculum; to create a culture in a changing city that embraces diversity; and to engage students in the community and to engage the community with the lives of the students. There will be a low teacher/student ratio, one advisor for every 8 students, community service requirements, and internship opportunities.
116 posted on 04/13/2003 9:03:23 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay (occupied)
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To: moyden2000
To be fair to the schools, blame also lies with idiot parents who have taken away the schools ability to discipline. Ultimately, the rot of public education is also the rot of American parents.

You have it reversed. The schools long ago took away the parents' authority to discipline their kids. One of the first things children learn in public skewel is how to turn in mommy and daddy for child abuse. Once the child learns who is in charge, it's all over.

The destruction of our educational institutions was carefully planned and executed over a century, but it was intended from the first. My suggestion is that you read John Taylor Gatto's books to learn that early history, while Mrs. Iserbyt's book covers the more recent term.

117 posted on 04/13/2003 9:41:02 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Bceause there are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: moyden2000
I don't think it is partent's faliure to allow the school to discipline, however many ,many parents are neglegent in my eyes. I think most parents want the easy way out, and public school is "free" daycare to them. I believe 50% of parents want the schools to handle 100% of the discipline.
118 posted on 04/14/2003 5:38:04 AM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: tang-soo
I don't know who wrote it, but governments can beat down people with broadly written nitpicking laws that make everybody a lawbreaker each day. Asinine zero-tolerance policies are like that also. I believe it's a form of control.

"Tolerance" education in schools makes students watch everything they say lest they offend someone. It must be terrible to have to constantly watch what you say and do so you don't get reported to the school authorities or even the police. Also many public schools encourage students to snitch on one another under the guise of "safe schools." We are becoming a nation of snitches.

Some schools also ask students intrusive questions about their family life either outright or on surveys. Where do you think that information goes? I bet some of that information winds up on the school's social worker's desk.

The fact that many public schools do not teach factual American history or civics so students know their rights or responsibilities will also be detrimental to a free society.



119 posted on 04/14/2003 5:43:34 AM PDT by ladylib
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To: All
Check out:

http://www.edwatch.org/

Scroll down left the side of the page to "Battle Ground" quotes to see what public education is really all about.
120 posted on 04/14/2003 6:22:34 AM PDT by ladylib
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To: All; everyone; SOMEONE; Everybody; Kim_in_Tulsa; diotima; TxBec; SLB; BibChr; JenB; ...
Ok, here's my opinion!

My kids (both boys, see my profile) have never NEVER jumped into puddles. Why? Because when they were too little to understand that we are a single income family, I was with them constantly holding them by the proverbial "scruff of the neck" keeping them from it. As they got older and had a better understanding of the cost of things and how we must take care of our shoes, I was able to reason with them that jumping in the puddle wasn't worth the consequences of ruining their shoes!

So, I contend that the problem began when this child was little and somehow missed the teaching that he should take care of his shoes. And the arrest is just a continuation of the problem, that there is no one disciplining the children except for "authorities" who really have no clue on how to do it.

Sending your kids to a school that is paid for by the government is simply accepting welfare, you get what you get, just like WIC. If you want any say in what is done to your child, you should homeschool or send them to private school.

"A child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame." (Proverbs 29:15)
121 posted on 04/14/2003 6:51:27 AM PDT by 2Jedismom ('The commitment of our fathers is now the calling of our time')
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To: 2Jedismom
Lotta wisdom there, young lady.

Dan
122 posted on 04/14/2003 6:59:59 AM PDT by BibChr (Hussein was "pro-choice" too, in his way)
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
Thanks for the Ping

BTTT for later...
123 posted on 04/14/2003 7:07:48 AM PDT by EdReform (Thank You to ALL Freepers and Lurkers who support Free Republic!)
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To: 2Jedismom
You have my "best post of the thread award." :^)

Frankly, I don't agree with the some of the "boys will be boys" comments on this thread. Puddle jumping (in boots or barefoot) has its place, but it's not at school. And I don't think spitwads should be tolerated anywhere.

I'm so glad we homeschool.

124 posted on 04/14/2003 7:28:16 AM PDT by Artist
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To: fight_truth_decay
"Parents are often required to put their child put on a regimen of Ritalin."

I volunteer at the local grade school for the READS program. One of the girls I work with spends half the time arguing with me or jumping up to bother someone else. I brought this up to my liberal "boss" and she stated that the girl was supposed to be on medication but the parents wouldn't allow it. Her eyes bugged out at my suggestion that a few good spankings would probably do more for her behavior problems than drugs.

125 posted on 04/14/2003 7:29:49 AM PDT by Ches (Mrs.)
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To: fight_truth_decay
Any 12-year-old that goes stomping through mud puddles after he had been told not to should be cuffed. I certainly was when I was a kid and misbehaved. Of course the word "cuffed" didn't mean the same thing then.
126 posted on 04/14/2003 7:35:11 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: fight_truth_decay
Obviously a FELONY this "purposely stomping in the water" act.

This LEO is what we refer in the medical I.T. community as a MORON.

127 posted on 04/14/2003 8:39:38 AM PDT by SERE_DOC (Murphy's rules for combat #14 The equipment you are using was made by the lowest bidder!)
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To: 2Jedismom
Here is how I handle the jumping in puddles thing.. I my boys some boots and said .. go for it. I even wait by the window and look for the biggest puddles after the rain so they can jump in the best puddles around. When they have their shoes on the is little desire to jump because they know I will let them once they have their boots on..
128 posted on 04/14/2003 8:53:53 AM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: fight_truth_decay
Here are links to various education threads (also containing numerous helpful links)

FReegards

Teaching Tomorrow's Teachers: Instructor To The Trustafarian Class
Source: Toogood Reports; Published: April 11, 2003; Author:| Bernard Chapin

How Not to Teach Math
Source: City Journal; Published: 7 March 2003; Author: Matthew Clavel

Government Schools Have U.S. On The Fast Track To Third-World Status
Source: Toogood Reports; Published: March 6, 2003; Author: Bob Ellis

Sodom and Gomorrah University
Source: WorldNetDaily.com: Published: February 19, 2003; Author: Michelle Malkin

The Union That Killed Education
Source: newsmax.com; Published: February. 17, 2003; Author: Paul Craig Roberts

Walter E. Williams: Inferior Education of Black Americans
Source:CNSNews.com; Published: February 05, 2003; Author: Walter E. Williams

Union Fraud Underscores Need for School Vouchers
Source: CNSNEWS.com; Published: February 05, 2003; Author: Linda Chavez

Time for public schools to throw in the towel?
Source: WorldNetDaily.com; Published: January 27, 2003; Author: Dr. Laura Schlessinger

My Classroom From Hell
Source: The Wall Street Journal; Published: January 24, 2003; Author: Joshua Kaplowitz

Can more money make schools better?
Source: TownHall.com; Published: January 21, 2003; Author: Phyllis Schlafly

Are public schools constitutional?
Source: NewsWithViews; Published: JANUARY 20, 2003; Auythor: Lynn M. Stuter

The intellectual rape of Oakland's schools
Source: TownHall.com; Published: January 17, 2003; Author: David Horowitz

Hip-hop hogwash in the schools (Michelle Malkin)
Source: TownHall.com; Published: January 15, 2003; Author: Michelle Malkin

Dumbed Down and Dumber Still
Source: The American Prowler; Published: January 15, 2003; Author: By George Neumayr

Washington's education establishment
Source: TownHall.com; Published: January 8, 2003; Author:Walter Williams

NEA Hastens Death of American Education
Source: INSIGHT magazine; Published: January 6, 2003; Author: Ralph de Toledano

White Teachers Fleeing Black Schools
Source: Newsmax; Published:January 1, 2003; Author: Chad Roedemeier

Fiddling whilst Rome burns
Source: TownHall.com; Published: December 26, 2002; Author: Walter Williams

Government School Monopolies Leave Children Behind
Source: Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty; Published: December 4, 2002; Author: Clint Green

The silence of the lambs: McMillan blasts bureaucrats for destroying public education
Source: WorldNetDaily.com; Published: August 15, 2002; Author: Craige McMillan

Taking Charge: Let's Stop Aiding and Abetting Academicians' Folly
Source: HOME EDUCATION magazine; Published: July-August 2002; Author: Larry and Susan Kaseman

’Open Directory’ --Society/Issues/Education/Education_Reform

Deconstructing Public Education
Source: www.newsmax.com; Published: July 26, 2002; Author: Diane Alden

Specious Science In Our Schools
Source: Toogood Reports; Published: July 9, 2002; Author: Alan Caruba

SYMPOSIUM Q: Is the National Education Association Being Fair to Its Religious Objectors?
Source: INSIGHT magazine; Published: June 10, 2002; Authors NO: Stefan Gleason ////\\\\ YES: Bob Chase

Public Sector Subverting Productive Industry
Source: Toogood Reports; Published: May 16, 2002; Author: Henry Pelifian

History of America's Education Part 2: Noah Webster and Early America
Source: Sierra Times; Published: March 27, 2002; Author: April Shenandoah

How Communist is Public Education?
Source: sierratimes.com; Published:March 22, 2002; Author: Chuck Morse

History of America's Education Part 1: Johnny is in trouble
Source: Sierra Times; Published: March 20, 2002; Author: April Shenandoah

Audit rips Georgia schools' curriculum
Source: Atlanta Journal-Constitution; Published: March 11, 2002; Author:JAMES SALZER

Why schools fail: Samuel Blumenfeld warns Bush's education legislation is ineffective
Source: WorldNetDaily.com; Published: March 2, 2002; Author: Samuel Blumenfeld

Public School Isn't Like I Remember It
Source: Too Good Reports; Published: February 28, 2002; Author: Phyllis Schlafly

What Is Lacking In Our Educational System
Source: Too Good Reports; Published: February 28, 2002; Author: Ben Cerruti

The charade of education reform
Source: WorldNetDaily.com; Published: February 2, 2002; Author: Dr. Samuel L. Blumenfeld

American public schools: Working just as designed
Source: WorldNetDaily.com; Published: January 21, 2002; Author: Vox Day

High Schools Fail Thanks To Grade Inflation And Social Promotion
Source: Toogood Reports; Published: December 5, 2001; Author: Vin Suprynowicz

WHY AMERICANS CAN’T READ
Source: Accuracy in Media; Published: December 4, 2001; Author: Reed Irvine and Cliff Kincaid

The Failing Teacher and the Teachers' Code of Silence
Source: CNSNews.com; Published: December 3, 2001; Author: Glenn Sacks

Time for outrage! Linda Bowles reports latest results in America's public schools
Source: WorldNetDaily.com; Published: November 27, 2001; Author: Linda Bowles

Illiterate in Boston: Samuel Blumenfeld explains U.S.'s ongoing reading problem
Source: WorldNetDaily.com; Published: July 20, 2001; Author: Samuel Blumenfeld

NEA - Let our children go!
Source: WorldNet Daily; Published: June 23. 2001; Author: Linda Harvey

COOKING THE BOOKS AT EDUCATION
Source: Accuracy In Media; Published: June 5, 2001; Author: Cliff Kincaid

Why Do Schools Play Games With Students' Minds ?
Source: The Detroit News; Published: April 1, 2001; Author: Thomas Sowell

The Public School Nightmare: Why fix a system designed to destroy individual thought?
Source: http://home.talkcity.com/LibraryDr/patt/homeschl.htm; Author: John Taylor Gatto

Dumbing down teachers
Source: USNews.com; Published: February 21, 2001; Author: John Leo

Free Republic links to education related articles (thread#8)
Source: Free Republic; Published: 3-20-2001; Author: Various

Are children deliberately 'dumbed down' in school? {YES!!!}
Source: World Net Daily; Published: May 13, 2001; Author: Geoff Metcalf {Interview}

Could they really have done it on purpose?
Source: THE LIBERTARIAN; Published: 07/28/2000; Author: Vin Suprynowicz

New Book Explores America's Education Catastrophe
Source: Christian Citizen USA; Published: April 2000; Author: William H. Wild

Deliberately dumbing us down (Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt's, "The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America"
Source: WorldNetDaily.com; Published: December 2,1999; Author: Samuel L. Blumenfeld

Deconstructing the Western Mind: Gramscian-Marxist Subversion of Faith and Education
Source: www.petersnet; Published: Winter 1997; Author: Frank Morriss

Littleton Crisis to Government Control

The UN Plan for Your Mental Health

Lexington Institute

NonPartisan Action For a Better Redding

Quality of Education Commentary, Opinion, and Book Reviews


129 posted on 04/14/2003 8:55:36 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: dufekin
I have students in a 400-level college science class who actually believe that 10 = 7. (They're failing miserably, and many appear to be cheating.)

First thing you should probably teach 'em is not to cheat off the kid who thinks that 10 = 7.
130 posted on 04/14/2003 10:49:11 AM PDT by Michael2001
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To: *Homeschool_list; 2Jedismom; homeschool mama; BallandPowder; ffrancone; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; ...
Ok.. I was brainstorming again (uh oh).. how many of you would be interested in a #homeschool chat room? If you are interested, FReepmail me. Thanks :)
131 posted on 04/14/2003 11:00:00 AM PDT by TxBec (Tag! You're it!)
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To: nanny
Now if when the President is calling for vouchers, he states this will not be for the average taxpaying American - this will be another program to help only the minority or low income families - do you think so many would be in favor.

Maybe not--but maybe they just aren't all selfish bastards, but know that vouchers create competition which would put pressure on the schools to perform.

132 posted on 04/14/2003 12:37:20 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: stands2reason
Maybe not--but maybe they just aren't all selfish bastards, but know that vouchers create competition which would put pressure on the schools to perform.

I hope you are right, about the schools, and since I do believe that a majority of the working families children will be left in these failing schools, I hope it doesn't take too long for that competitive idea to kick in.

But as not all being selfish ________, just too cynical to buy that. If their agenda meshes with ours, but unless it does - I don't think so. This is based on purely on recent history - as in the last 50 years.

133 posted on 04/14/2003 12:49:59 PM PDT by nanny
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To: ladylib
You know, when we moved to Florida, we kept passing this one particular building and I finally asked my husband if it was a jail or a prison. He said it was the Junior High.

We home school. We moved from Texas where I felt the schools were pretty good. No public school for us here. We're happy.

134 posted on 04/14/2003 3:39:21 PM PDT by SpookBrat
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To: moyden2000
Can't disagree with you there.
135 posted on 04/14/2003 3:42:36 PM PDT by SpookBrat
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To: SpookBrat
At one time, public schools were absolutely beautiful -- at least in my neighborhood. I live next door to a middle school built in the 1930's which looks like it was built by Wren, the English architect. It has a beautiful court yard.
A town three miles down the road from me has an absolutely beautiful high school, probably built in the 20's, that looks like a college campus.

The architecture of many of today's public schools leaves a lot to be desired. Frankly, a lot of today's schools look like correctional facilities.
136 posted on 04/14/2003 4:08:10 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: Motherbear
Apparently, discipline problems are "outsourced" to law enforcement in Florida and Texas. I heard Kansas does pretty much the same thing also.

This is a good thing to know about before you register your kid for public school in these states. Ask how disciplinary procedures are handled and look for alternative venues of education (schools that don't have cops patrolling the corridors (they get paid by fines incurred by your kid, and your kid can get fined for anything from disrupting class or truancy in Texas) private schools or homeschooling) if you feel that your kid might wind up with a record.

Public education isn't worth the aggravation anymore.
138 posted on 04/14/2003 4:24:45 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: 2Jedismom
My kids (both boys, see my profile) have never NEVER jumped into puddles

Your kids have never jumped in puddles? I homeschooled also and I actually jumped right along with them. Made mudpies also. I cannot even imagine not jumping into a puddle. How sad and over protected your children must be. Lighten up. Let them be children, you will all enjoy the experience.

139 posted on 04/16/2003 9:12:07 PM PDT by Pure Country
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To: ladylib
My son-in-law is a resource officer in an high school in CO. He has had quite a time. One instance stands out to me. He had a girl that was in his office pressing charges against a boy that had grabbed her "chest". Now, that's bad and the boy was taken care of, but when my son-in-law called in the girl's parents to try to get her to dress "not like a prostitute" they were indignant and said that she was dressed fine. Guess her whole midriff was showing and cleavage and the whole nine yards.

You would think that the parents would get a clue since this was the 5th time that the girl had been "assaulted" by the same number of young men.

Why are parents clueless? Are they proud of the way their daughters dress? Maybe living their lives through them?

140 posted on 04/16/2003 9:19:53 PM PDT by Pure Country
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To: fight_truth_decay; summer
Deputy Tim Langer . Margaret Brogley . Thank you . I'm on the hunt to find local issues that have a value . You being a teacher and all that comes with it i caught this on the fly .

Have at it Summer .

141 posted on 04/16/2003 9:32:03 PM PDT by Ben Bolt
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To: Pure Country
I guess I should have said "with their shoes on". It's not that I'm so over-protective of them, just of their shoes, since they usually have just one pair that must serve for everyday and church shoes. My point is that I kept them from doing it when they were little bitty, and now they have the restraint on their own. For everything there is a time, and you jumping puddles with your kids is probably a wonderful time for you all. But I suspect as homeschoolers, you and your children would also be able to discern when this was not appropriate. One point of my post was that someone has failed at teaching the 12-year old that this was not the appropriate time. And then when you leave your child to the care of the government to raise, you just get whatever discipline you get (however inappropriate).
142 posted on 04/17/2003 6:05:59 AM PDT by 2Jedismom ('The commitment of our fathers is now the calling of our time')
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143 posted on 04/19/2003 11:55:37 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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I haven't read very many of the responses, but want to say, I'm all for kids learning self control, but I brought our kids home 15 years ago so they CAN jump in puddles. I do it too, I'm lots worse than they are about puddles. Life's too short to avoid puddles. I drive through them a bit faster too, to see the water spray. (we live in the country, no one is going to get splashed) I know I've succeeded at something when the boys call me outside to see a great sunset or dramatically orange moon. :)
I also expect our boys to learn *self* control and gentlemanly behavior. Things that aren't even considered in public schools. It's all external behavior mod.
{shudder}
I've got great kids. Gee, wonder how that happened?


144 posted on 10/11/2006 5:01:23 AM PDT by Sherri-D
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