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Critics: Frist shouldn't be in Medicare debate
The Tennessean ^ | Sunday, 04/20/03 | By LARRY BIVINS Tennessean Washington Bureau

Posted on 04/20/2003 6:13:09 AM PDT by ABC123

Edited on 05/07/2004 9:20:22 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: critics; frist; healthcare
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To: meenie
This is the reason for our inflation at all levels

Uh, sorry, Rip Van Winkle, you're about twenty years too late on that one. Deflation is the problem now.

-ccm

21 posted on 04/20/2003 10:06:47 AM PDT by ccmay
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To: The Wizard
after the tax failure I'm beginning to wonder if he should be in any debate.....

I was so proud he didn't back down from Estrada, but this tax this thing is a complete failure, and that must be fixed.

It's ironic that, in his first major policy test, Bush's hand-picked choice for Majority Leader undermines Bush's tax cut.

Frist has got a lot to repair, starting with the tax cut and figuring out how to get Estrada and Owen approved.

Ain't been too impressive so far.

22 posted on 04/20/2003 10:13:07 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: ABC123
Every lawyer in the House and Senate should be excluded from the Tort Reform Debate, every black from affirmative action debates, every Jew from the Middle East debate and every Christian from discussions about faith based charities.
23 posted on 04/20/2003 11:25:26 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Soddom has left the bunker.)
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To: pchuck
There have been a couple of people who were glad he didn't forget he is a doctor 1st and a politician 2nd since he was elected the other Tennessee Senator.
24 posted on 04/20/2003 11:58:14 AM PDT by ABC123
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To: ABC123
When all of the Democratic trial lawyers recuse themselves from debates and bills regarding liability law, Frist should step aside from this debate.
The trial lawyers are already costing this nation 3$ of our GDP, and they're going for more.
25 posted on 04/20/2003 12:57:12 PM PDT by DED (Liberals Never Learn. *LNL*)
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To: DED
Whoops! that was supposed to be 3%!
26 posted on 04/20/2003 12:58:33 PM PDT by DED (Liberals Never Learn. *LNL*)
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To: meenie; doc11355
Opps! That reply should have gone to meenie not doc11355.
27 posted on 04/20/2003 1:47:46 PM PDT by ghostrider
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To: ABC123
Silly concern.
28 posted on 04/20/2003 1:55:08 PM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
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To: ABC123
God forbid that anyone with real first hand knowledge on the subject of Medicare should participate in the debate. That would risk a practical solution being developed.
29 posted on 04/20/2003 1:57:38 PM PDT by JonH
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To: ABC123
''He is pushing legislation that is advantageous to for-profit hospitals,'' said Quentin Young, national coordinator of Physicians for a National Health Program.

The first "critic" of Bill Frist quoted in this column is a socialist scumbag. That tells me all I need to know about the agenda of the author.

Wasn't this paper also unabashedly promoting a state income tax for Tennessee?

30 posted on 04/20/2003 2:06:29 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: KC_for_Freedom
I suppose Bush should recuse himself from an arguement about baseball, or ranchers?

Does Pres. Bush still have an interest in Baseball - I mean a monetary interest? Now owning a ranch - doesn't make you a rancher so I don't see any comparison there.

Mr. Frist, and his family is/and will be making money based on the decisions made. If what we have read is true, they cut a few corners. Don't know why it seems if you steal a huge amount, you can just pay a fine - if you steal a little you get sent to jail.

Now all this blind trust seems to silly. He is still making money from that 'blind trust'. He didn't sell it - he still owns it. Whether it makes a difference or not - it looks bad - But that goes ditto for many of the politicians in Washington.

31 posted on 04/20/2003 2:12:12 PM PDT by nanny
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To: ABC123
Why wouldn't you want a doctor involved in Medicare ...?? I don't see the logic of that.

Wouldn't it be better to have a medical professional who can give that side of the argument ...??

I suppose it would be better to have someone like Susan Davis (who wrote the deregulation legislation which nearly shut the system down in CA), and she's a former social worker from Massachusetts. No wonder deregulation was such a mess.
32 posted on 04/20/2003 3:27:02 PM PDT by CyberAnt ( America - You Are The Greatest!!)
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To: ABC123
I'll go for that, if every lawyer in congress recuses themselves for the debate on tort reform... As well as anyone who has accepted political donations from the Trial Lawyers Assn...

I guess it'll be a pretty long wait.

Mark
33 posted on 04/20/2003 4:27:49 PM PDT by MarkL
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To: nanny
The point is that Bush is not a baseball owner or rancher anymore, he is the president. Frist is not a doctor now, he is a politician. With investments in a blind trust, he cannot "deal" in his investments, or handle the day to day affairs. When he is out of public office, he will again have access to these investments.

Now suppose while in office, he makes decisions that improve the value of his investments. Doesn't that mean he has improved the value of the economy for everyone? Don't know what you mean by cutting cornors and stealing, I believe Frist has exhibited a higher moral and ethincal behavior than any politician I know. Do you know a more honest one? It would seem to me that we should want a health care program that appeals to doctors. Can you imagine a health care program that doctors don't feel is beneficial to their profession? Do you know what doctors do when forced by health care programs to act against their interests? (I do, they opt out of these programs.)
34 posted on 04/23/2003 8:19:59 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom
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To: KC_for_Freedom
Now suppose while in office, he makes decisions that improve the value of his investments. Doesn't that mean he has improved the value of the economy for everyone?

WEll, of course it doesn't. It might in some instances, but not always.

Blind trusts are just silly. Do you really think he is going to vote for something that would bankrupt or seriously decrease his or his family's holdings? Of course not - even though it is good for the country.

It has been so long since I posted to that, I don't really know to what you are referring -but some said that it was no difference than Bush and baseball and ranching. WEll, Bush hasn't been in basball for a long time and he is not a rancher - so that doesn't fit. Mr Frist still has investments in the healthcare field.

Now as for cutting corners and stealing, that might have been a reference to his family's medicare fraud, and the fines they were assessed. It is just strange that a poor person steals a little money, they go to prison - a rich person steals and lot and they get to pay a fine. Now I don't know if Frist is honest or not or if he had anything to do with his family business' dishonest behavior - but isn't it strange, it isn't called theft when it is that much and when it is rich people - but $10,000 for a poor man is theft.

As far as his being a doctor, I don't think that would have that much to do with it - it might even be a plus - but having all that investment in his family's healthcare company, even though in a blind trust (and he doesn't even remember he owns it), does give one pause and should.

As far as a system doctors like - sure I would like to see good doctors succeed. That is to everyone's benefit.

What I have seen in the last few years, is the government' interference in the healthcare of this nation to the point, many cannot afford it - just can't. It stifles progress in this country. A man with a family has to think twice about changing jobs or stepping out and starting a new business. Unintended consequences or intended consequences to the government's actions.

Many of the reasons healthcare is so expensive is because government, in it's wisdom, has mandated so many things be covered by insurance companies who heretofore were able to make the decision not to cover those. In other words, a person buying knew up front what he would be covered for and what he would not be covered for - what it would pay on each item. It was great and affordable, and best of all, it was making your own decisions. Then the government decided people and insurance companies ought not be able to decide what they wished to pay for - so many small business gave up and in steps HMO's. The price went up. Now excuse me if I would look at Mr. Frist and see that his family's interest lies very much in insurance premiums staying up and competition staying down and just wonder how 'blind' he could possibly be expected to be.

That makes him no different that the ones who take big money from agribusiness and help perpetuate the border debacle or pass the 'agribusiness welfare bill' known as the agricultural bill.

I don't know Mr. Frist's morals - I just generally don't want to ask too much of human nature. As for politicians and honesty - don't usually put those in the same sentence. To say his is more honest than -- is not necessarily saying much to me.

By the way, when his family was caught stealing, defrauding, or whatever, did he distance himself from them? Did he give all that stock to charity? Did any of that money that was stolen in any way help to get him elected? Or keep him elected? Family or not, why would such a paragon of virtue continue to use tainted money? He is human - I am not demanding more of him than others - but don't try to make me believe he is pure as the driven snow, either.

35 posted on 04/23/2003 9:19:56 AM PDT by nanny
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To: nanny
but don't try to make me believe he is pure as the driven snow, either.

I would never go that far with a politician, only this one goes to poor countries and practices medicine there for several weeks a year for free. (See doctors without borders) This puts him way ahead of most people IMO. Can you site the source of his families misdeeds? Were they serious? Was there punishment? You imply that they did something dishonest and used their power and pull to get away with it. This is not good, but I did not know about it. Can you fill me in?

36 posted on 04/23/2003 4:06:49 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom
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To: KC_for_Freedom
(See doctors without borders) This puts him way ahead of most people IMO.

Yes, to a point - that makes him a kind man with a social conscience. Doesn't make him honest. Heck, Jimmah Kaahtah builds homes for humanity.

Can you site the source of his families misdeeds? Were they serious? Was there punishment? You imply that they did something dishonest and used their power and pull to get away with it. This is not good, but I did not know about it. Can you fill me in?

I don't remember the particulars - but it was something like double billing Medicare and they were ordered to pay a fine and restitution. Others will probably know more than I do about it. My observation was in general - why if you steal millions do you get to pay a fine or pay it back. If you steal 10,000, you are probably going to jail - if you have no connections.

37 posted on 04/23/2003 6:03:48 PM PDT by nanny
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