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"Unlike the American troops, we look the Iraqis in the eye"
The Daily Telegraph U.K. ^ | 4-05-03 | Not attributed

Posted on 05/04/2003 3:04:58 PM PDT by WaterDragon

He counts his unit's kills meticulously, each one a tick in black pen on his khaki helmet which is, by now, bleached by the sun and battered from battle. Perched in the turret of his tank, just behind the barrel that is hand-painted with intimidating war cries such as "kill 'em all" or "I'm a motherf***ing warrior", he talks only to those Iraqis with the temerity to approach: he feels vulnerable without a 60-ton Abrams girding his loins. It is impossible to read anything in his eyes because they are always obscured by mirrored sunglasses.

Only in the safety of his unit's headquarters, behind barbed wire and protected by heavy weaponry, does the American marine take off his body armour and helmet. On the streets of Baghdad, out on patrol, he is wary and ill at ease.

Friendly approach: an Irish Guard patrols the streets of Basra Every Iraqi is a potential troublemaker, a possible target. If one fails to stop at his checkpoint, his response will be to open fire. If more than 50 gather to chant anti-American slogans, he will likely flood the street with soldiers. If he so much as suspects that the crowd has weapons he may well consider a full-scale counter-attack.

Still in full battle dress, though the war is over, he is awesome to behold. His President insists that he was never a member of an invading force, that he was a liberator and is now a peacekeeper. Yet much of the time he is loathed, despised and spat upon by those Iraqis for whose freedom he fought. He and his comrades are among the most hated men in the Iraqi capital.

The manner in which the American forces stormed their way to Baghdad may indeed have been awesome. They fought the war with verve, with valour and with steely determination. How they are holding the peace, however, makes a woeful contrast.

British troops, by comparison, are welcomed in southern Iraq with cries of "We love you Britannia, welcome British." In the south, the British not only won the trust of the locals during the war and used it effectively to gather vital intelligence, they kept it in the aftermath. The Americans, hampered by much stricter rules of engagement and with little experience of peacekeeping, are swiftly losing the battle for hearts and minds.

On the streets of Basra, Safwan and Az Zubayr in southern Iraq, British soldiers, with years of experience of dealing with civilian populations in war zones such as Northern Ireland and of peacekeeping in the Balkans and Sierra Leone, are treated as saviours. They have abandoned their helmets in favour of their more people-friendly berets, have taken off their body armour and mingle with the locals. They have helped to set up a local police force and a council to get the city's infrastructure running smoothly.

"Have you met my buddy Ahmed?" says Sergeant Euan Andrews, from the 7th Parachute Regiment of the Royal Horse Artillery, as he swings an arm around an Iraqi by his side outside the freshly painted Basra police station.

Ahmed, beaming in a baseball cap emblazoned with the words "City of Basra police" in Arabic and holding a truncheon, punches his new friend in playful camaraderie. "A month ago we were shooting at each other," says Euan, "now we are on the same side."

As Ahmed, chest swelling with pride, steps out to deal with the next car check by himself, Euan gives him an encouraging nod. "They're all getting there," he says. "It will take time. There is still a lot of: 'He is my cousin, my friend, he is ok.' We have had to explain that police must be impartial. But slowly we are getting there."

That afternoon the soldiers are playing football against the locals and in the evening they have volunteered to repaint the local school. The Iraqis loiter to chat as they pass the station, shaking soldiers by the hand and bringing them home-cooked meals. "Our methods of dealing with the locals are very, very different from that of the Yanks," one officer says over a cup of local coffee. ("Awful," he says, "but they like it when we drink it.")

"Unlike the Americans we have taken off our helmets and sunglasses and we look the locals in the eye. If we see one vehicle heading at speed towards a checkpoint we let it through. It is only one vehicle. We call our method "raid and aid" - don't ask me what we call the American way."

In Basra, raid and aid worked. For two weeks the 7th Armoured Brigade waited at the bridge before entering the city. During that time it built up its relationship with those Iraqis brave enough to provide intelligence about the Fedayeen - Saddam's loyalist fighters - who had held the city to ransom.

The result was that when the British did enter, they knew where to go, who to go after and who to trust. For them the rules of engagement changed as warfare became peacekeeping. Now, they no longer automatically return fire. They wait. Often Iraqi gunfire is a sign of celebration at the return of electricity or running water. They know it is not necessarily attacking fire.

The Americans are, admittedly, bound by much less flexible rules. Their Force Protection Doctrine decrees that all soldiers must wear helmets and body armour in a war zone at all times and that gun fire must be met with response. They also have little experience in the peacekeeping arena, and their experience of urban warfare in the battle for Hue during the Vietnam war and more recently in Somalia has left them jumpy.

The British have learned in the past 30 years that good information on the enemy was their best protection and that putting soldiers at risk to get it was justified; jungle ambushes in Vietnam made the Americans obsessed with "force protection".

Since the killing of four American soldiers by an Iraqi suicide bomber 10 days into the conflict, they have become even more wary of locals.

Last week, Americans killed 15 people - among them two young boys - at Fallujah, an impoverished Shia area 30 miles west of Baghdad - when locals became angry at their occupation of the local school. Though the US troops say they fired in self-defence - and may well have done so - television footage of bleeding Iraqis, clearly unarmed, lying on the roads, have shocked Western viewers.

In Baghdad, where the Americans rarely leave their compounds, lawlessness is widespread. On Friday, when locals realised that Saddam's sister owned a lavish home in Al Jadria in the west of the city, they stormed the house. Pianos, furniture and paintings were dragged away by a mob of looters. When US soldiers arrived they stopped only long enough to warn journalists not to remove anything or they would be arrested, then left the mob rampaging through the house. "I'm not going near that lot," one marine said. "I don't feel safe anywhere near them, unless I am behind a whopping big tank."

In the more affluent areas of Al Mansour and Al Kaarada, local families have been forced to build barricades to keep out thieves as the American soldiers refuse to patrol.

In the Shia ghettos of Saddam City and Khadamia, where the Americans are reluctant to go even in tanks, the local imams have taken matters in hand. "Imams have set up local security stations in the hospitals," says Yousef al Alwani. "Guns that have been looted, many from Saddam's palace, are brought to the mosques and from there the imams take them to the hospital and arm the local militia who are now policing us. The Americans don't protect us and they don't help us. What else are they doing but occupying us?"

Cultural background, say military analysts, explains much of the British success in southern Iraq. "Britain and other European nations have imperial traditions," says Stuart Crawford, a retired lieutenant colonel in the 4th Royal Tank Regiment. "As a result, British troops have been inculcated with the ethos and tradition of colonial policing, where small numbers of men would have close contact on a daily basis with local populations. But America is a young country with no colonial past."

In some respects it is a paradox that Britain, which once ruled an empire, should have a more flexible and sensitive army than America.

At the end of the 19th century, the howitzer and the Maxim gun were the equivalent of the cruise missile and the tankbuster. To maintain control yet allow and encourage people to live in their traditional ways, they became accustomed to understanding and respecting local culture and customs. It is a lesson that the American army has yet, it seems, to learn.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: allies; american; antiamerican; boorishness; british; drivel; iraqifreedom; mediabias; order; totalbs; troops
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To: WaterDragon; may18
No American newspaper has printed such drivel about the British troops.

How many American newspapers have printed drivel about indigenous US troops?

The Daily Telegraph IS a conservative media organ. Clicking your heels and wishing it wasn't so, will not make it go away!

182 posted on 05/04/2003 7:15:19 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: EaglesUpForever; MadIvan
Don't get me wrong, I love the Brits. But their press has bashed America this way and that the whole time... it was particularly sickening when they would imply we were inflicting civilian casualties willy-nilly, but by contrast that was "not the British way." Sure we both stayed out of the south for good reason, but the US took more risks as a result.

"I very much appreciate Britain as an ally, but I hope they (including their general population, which like here has far too many leftists) are as true an ally as possible, and don't slide towards the french way of hating us while playing the role of "ally" when it's expedient."

I agree.
183 posted on 05/04/2003 7:16:18 PM PDT by Pukka Puck
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To: Pukka Puck; may18; MadIvan
And if the British press has 'no class', how unfortunate that the people who read it swallow it and choose to criticise the British TROOPS on the basis on ONE article.

Pukka..your limited critical thought surprises me.

The 'wood from the trees' adage springs to mind.

184 posted on 05/04/2003 7:17:46 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: Joseph_CutlerUSA
At page 102 of the book, which is by a cat named Kenneth Mackey, it lists the Sherman version in question as a M4A1, and the T34 as a T34/76B.
185 posted on 05/04/2003 7:18:00 PM PDT by stinkypew
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To: Happygal
Eh...and the American posters on this board slag Europeans. Isn't 'euroweenie' the popular phrase?

I will assume that you aren't disputing the point I made.

That being said, I couldn't care less what people in some other country think of the U.S.

186 posted on 05/04/2003 7:19:23 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
Also, Baghdad is the headquarters of the International Press at the Palestine Hotel. Of course, many of the agitators are playing to the press to win the media battle.
Baghdad is also much larger than Basra and was the capital of Saddam's brutal regime. Many of the loyalists have no doubt amassed in Baghdad to thwart our efforts.

This article is such bunk!
187 posted on 05/04/2003 7:19:39 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: WaterDragon
well i understand your point, truth be told ive seen articles in the papers i hate most trashing our OWN troops

WRT to american media, nod its been good, In the first days of the war a retired American general, Wesley Clarke, was on CNN speaking with some disdain of UK troops, however to be fair a couple of weeks later he said they had performed superbly.

When i saw the general on CNN i just took it as just one opinion, i knew the truth from talking to my family (one of whom served in the current conflict).

Anyway i agree that its a silly article

Ive already emailed them to complain
188 posted on 05/04/2003 7:22:17 PM PDT by may18
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To: Happygal
During this war I have seen no conservative newspaper articles attacking "indigenous" troops.

The Washington Times is the preeminent conservative newspaper in America. On no account would it consider printing an article slurring the British troops fighting with us in Iraq.
189 posted on 05/04/2003 7:23:17 PM PDT by WaterDragon (Only America has the moral authority and the resolve to lead the world in the 21st Century.)
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To: WaterDragon; may18
Repeat: the article was posted to expose idiocies of a supposedly conservative newspaper, not an attack on the British troops. And it isn't "just one article", this is the latest in a series of similar articles trashing American troops. The Brits on this forum have tended to see these articles as just showing pride in their troops. American newspapers have not seemed to need to trash British troops in order to express pride in our own.

Pardon my 'French', but HORSESHITE!

If your intention in posting this article was to show up the Daily Telegraph, please link EVERY other article in the 'series'.

I will counter with positive supporting the troops links for you from the same CONSERVATIVE newspaper.

If the posting of this article wasn't meant as a sleight on the British troops, why aren't you in their making that clear to every anti-British comment made on this thread?

190 posted on 05/04/2003 7:23:36 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: WaterDragon
Two words: Northern Ireland.
191 posted on 05/04/2003 7:23:38 PM PDT by Calpublican
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To: WaterDragon
"I'm not going near that lot," one marine said. "I don't feel safe anywhere near them, unless I am behind a whopping big tank."


American marines don't say things like "whopping big tank"--
this is a Brit journalist writing fiction.
192 posted on 05/04/2003 7:24:44 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: Trailerpark Badass
That being said, I couldn't care less what people in some other country think of the U.S.

Well, why do you comment on this thread then?

193 posted on 05/04/2003 7:25:07 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: may18
You haven't seen articles in CONSERVATIVE American newspapers trashing our boys. The Lefty media -- well, that's a different story.
194 posted on 05/04/2003 7:25:13 PM PDT by WaterDragon (Only America has the moral authority and the resolve to lead the world in the 21st Century.)
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To: WaterDragon
The Brits are in Basra, we are everywhere else. This is ridiculous to compare the tasks.
195 posted on 05/04/2003 7:25:55 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: Polybius
That's probably the most important factor, but we should also remember that America is the one blamed for sanctions, support of Saddam and civilian casualties unfair or not. The population of Iraq probably has been fed anti-American propaganda for years too. Brits are still remembered as honorable from the first time they colonized Iraq.
196 posted on 05/04/2003 7:27:40 PM PDT by pragmatic_asian
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To: jwh_Denver
Nice post! :-)
197 posted on 05/04/2003 7:27:42 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: Calpublican
Two words: Northern Ireland.

Care to elaborate? I'm interested!

198 posted on 05/04/2003 7:29:11 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: Happygal
I don't need to defend the British troops, nor do I care to engage in every military discussion that gets started on the thread.

I do understand that the Telegraph is the preeminent conservative newspaper in Britain, and assume it reflects conservative thinking in Britain. It's willingness to print this tripe, in my opinion, exposes a vein of anti-Americanism, not even to mention that it is particularly low-class, and is something conservative American newspapers would not stoop to indulge.

I won't be chasing down all the other similar articles the Telegraph has printed. I'll see if I can find a couple of them for you.
199 posted on 05/04/2003 7:30:49 PM PDT by WaterDragon (Only America has the moral authority and the resolve to lead the world in the 21st Century.)
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To: WaterDragon
You haven't seen articles in CONSERVATIVE American newspapers trashing our boys.

Well, the British troops are under US command. To criticise them, would be to criticise the US.

And (I'll say it again!!!) The Daily Telegraph IS a conservative publication.

Critical thought Water Dragon goes a LONG way!

200 posted on 05/04/2003 7:33:28 PM PDT by Happygal
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