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"Unlike the American troops, we look the Iraqis in the eye"
The Daily Telegraph U.K. ^ | 4-05-03 | Not attributed

Posted on 05/04/2003 3:04:58 PM PDT by WaterDragon

He counts his unit's kills meticulously, each one a tick in black pen on his khaki helmet which is, by now, bleached by the sun and battered from battle. Perched in the turret of his tank, just behind the barrel that is hand-painted with intimidating war cries such as "kill 'em all" or "I'm a motherf***ing warrior", he talks only to those Iraqis with the temerity to approach: he feels vulnerable without a 60-ton Abrams girding his loins. It is impossible to read anything in his eyes because they are always obscured by mirrored sunglasses.

Only in the safety of his unit's headquarters, behind barbed wire and protected by heavy weaponry, does the American marine take off his body armour and helmet. On the streets of Baghdad, out on patrol, he is wary and ill at ease.

Friendly approach: an Irish Guard patrols the streets of Basra Every Iraqi is a potential troublemaker, a possible target. If one fails to stop at his checkpoint, his response will be to open fire. If more than 50 gather to chant anti-American slogans, he will likely flood the street with soldiers. If he so much as suspects that the crowd has weapons he may well consider a full-scale counter-attack.

Still in full battle dress, though the war is over, he is awesome to behold. His President insists that he was never a member of an invading force, that he was a liberator and is now a peacekeeper. Yet much of the time he is loathed, despised and spat upon by those Iraqis for whose freedom he fought. He and his comrades are among the most hated men in the Iraqi capital.

The manner in which the American forces stormed their way to Baghdad may indeed have been awesome. They fought the war with verve, with valour and with steely determination. How they are holding the peace, however, makes a woeful contrast.

British troops, by comparison, are welcomed in southern Iraq with cries of "We love you Britannia, welcome British." In the south, the British not only won the trust of the locals during the war and used it effectively to gather vital intelligence, they kept it in the aftermath. The Americans, hampered by much stricter rules of engagement and with little experience of peacekeeping, are swiftly losing the battle for hearts and minds.

On the streets of Basra, Safwan and Az Zubayr in southern Iraq, British soldiers, with years of experience of dealing with civilian populations in war zones such as Northern Ireland and of peacekeeping in the Balkans and Sierra Leone, are treated as saviours. They have abandoned their helmets in favour of their more people-friendly berets, have taken off their body armour and mingle with the locals. They have helped to set up a local police force and a council to get the city's infrastructure running smoothly.

"Have you met my buddy Ahmed?" says Sergeant Euan Andrews, from the 7th Parachute Regiment of the Royal Horse Artillery, as he swings an arm around an Iraqi by his side outside the freshly painted Basra police station.

Ahmed, beaming in a baseball cap emblazoned with the words "City of Basra police" in Arabic and holding a truncheon, punches his new friend in playful camaraderie. "A month ago we were shooting at each other," says Euan, "now we are on the same side."

As Ahmed, chest swelling with pride, steps out to deal with the next car check by himself, Euan gives him an encouraging nod. "They're all getting there," he says. "It will take time. There is still a lot of: 'He is my cousin, my friend, he is ok.' We have had to explain that police must be impartial. But slowly we are getting there."

That afternoon the soldiers are playing football against the locals and in the evening they have volunteered to repaint the local school. The Iraqis loiter to chat as they pass the station, shaking soldiers by the hand and bringing them home-cooked meals. "Our methods of dealing with the locals are very, very different from that of the Yanks," one officer says over a cup of local coffee. ("Awful," he says, "but they like it when we drink it.")

"Unlike the Americans we have taken off our helmets and sunglasses and we look the locals in the eye. If we see one vehicle heading at speed towards a checkpoint we let it through. It is only one vehicle. We call our method "raid and aid" - don't ask me what we call the American way."

In Basra, raid and aid worked. For two weeks the 7th Armoured Brigade waited at the bridge before entering the city. During that time it built up its relationship with those Iraqis brave enough to provide intelligence about the Fedayeen - Saddam's loyalist fighters - who had held the city to ransom.

The result was that when the British did enter, they knew where to go, who to go after and who to trust. For them the rules of engagement changed as warfare became peacekeeping. Now, they no longer automatically return fire. They wait. Often Iraqi gunfire is a sign of celebration at the return of electricity or running water. They know it is not necessarily attacking fire.

The Americans are, admittedly, bound by much less flexible rules. Their Force Protection Doctrine decrees that all soldiers must wear helmets and body armour in a war zone at all times and that gun fire must be met with response. They also have little experience in the peacekeeping arena, and their experience of urban warfare in the battle for Hue during the Vietnam war and more recently in Somalia has left them jumpy.

The British have learned in the past 30 years that good information on the enemy was their best protection and that putting soldiers at risk to get it was justified; jungle ambushes in Vietnam made the Americans obsessed with "force protection".

Since the killing of four American soldiers by an Iraqi suicide bomber 10 days into the conflict, they have become even more wary of locals.

Last week, Americans killed 15 people - among them two young boys - at Fallujah, an impoverished Shia area 30 miles west of Baghdad - when locals became angry at their occupation of the local school. Though the US troops say they fired in self-defence - and may well have done so - television footage of bleeding Iraqis, clearly unarmed, lying on the roads, have shocked Western viewers.

In Baghdad, where the Americans rarely leave their compounds, lawlessness is widespread. On Friday, when locals realised that Saddam's sister owned a lavish home in Al Jadria in the west of the city, they stormed the house. Pianos, furniture and paintings were dragged away by a mob of looters. When US soldiers arrived they stopped only long enough to warn journalists not to remove anything or they would be arrested, then left the mob rampaging through the house. "I'm not going near that lot," one marine said. "I don't feel safe anywhere near them, unless I am behind a whopping big tank."

In the more affluent areas of Al Mansour and Al Kaarada, local families have been forced to build barricades to keep out thieves as the American soldiers refuse to patrol.

In the Shia ghettos of Saddam City and Khadamia, where the Americans are reluctant to go even in tanks, the local imams have taken matters in hand. "Imams have set up local security stations in the hospitals," says Yousef al Alwani. "Guns that have been looted, many from Saddam's palace, are brought to the mosques and from there the imams take them to the hospital and arm the local militia who are now policing us. The Americans don't protect us and they don't help us. What else are they doing but occupying us?"

Cultural background, say military analysts, explains much of the British success in southern Iraq. "Britain and other European nations have imperial traditions," says Stuart Crawford, a retired lieutenant colonel in the 4th Royal Tank Regiment. "As a result, British troops have been inculcated with the ethos and tradition of colonial policing, where small numbers of men would have close contact on a daily basis with local populations. But America is a young country with no colonial past."

In some respects it is a paradox that Britain, which once ruled an empire, should have a more flexible and sensitive army than America.

At the end of the 19th century, the howitzer and the Maxim gun were the equivalent of the cruise missile and the tankbuster. To maintain control yet allow and encourage people to live in their traditional ways, they became accustomed to understanding and respecting local culture and customs. It is a lesson that the American army has yet, it seems, to learn.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: allies; american; antiamerican; boorishness; british; drivel; iraqifreedom; mediabias; order; totalbs; troops
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To: WaterDragon
You got a British paper wanting to brag on British performance. O.K. I can see that, and am willing to let it slide. Even the UK is feeling a little . . . envious . . . about the big dawg.

However, I think this paper is neglecting a few points.

1. The Brits occupy one of the most anti-Saddam parts of Iraq -- the Shi'ite region around Basrah. Of course, they are going to be greeted like conquering heros.

2. The US holds some of the most pro-Saddam regions, including Falludah and Tikrit. If there *is* going to be any resistance to occupation those are the places -- and it does not matter whether Brits or Yanks are occupying those sites.

3. Over the vast majority of Baghdad, the US are being treated as liberators. The Western press, partly because they are lazy pigs, too self absorbed to leave the Palestine Hotel, and partly because they are anti-US anyway (even US newshawks) prefer to play up the few demonstrators that go to that hotel to protest the US. Read that whole story here: http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/002/629xnqei.asp

Anyway, I would put this in the same category as those "quagmire" predictions of four weeks back.
41 posted on 05/04/2003 3:42:26 PM PDT by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: mrsmith
Is it possible to show patriotism for one's own troops without the need to put down your allies? Americans manage that. Probably has to do with our lack of an inferiority complex.
42 posted on 05/04/2003 3:42:49 PM PDT by WaterDragon (Only America has the moral authority and the resolve to lead the world in the 21st Century.)
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To: yarddog
Truth be told, Hitler was a bad dictator, and an even worse soldier. We should thank God for that everyday - if he had listened to his best military advisors, or if he had more knowledge of the military sciences, he would have been a FAR more powerful force.

With Russia as an neutral entity instead of enemy, he could have held most of Europe, and I believe would have eventually been able to negotiate a surrender with Allied Forces, retaining control of his new nation. Instead, his ego and his need for complete control crippled his military campaign, and thus contributed to the Allied victory.

43 posted on 05/04/2003 3:42:53 PM PDT by dandelion
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To: No Truce With Kings
Excellent points.
45 posted on 05/04/2003 3:44:52 PM PDT by WaterDragon (Only America has the moral authority and the resolve to lead the world in the 21st Century.)
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To: No Truce With Kings
I was going to post a reply to this thread, but I don't need to now. You nailed it.
46 posted on 05/04/2003 3:45:04 PM PDT by American Soldier
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To: Grampa Dave
This is pure left wing fiction to cover for this maggot's wet dream posing as an oped and news:

Agreed.

47 posted on 05/04/2003 3:46:03 PM PDT by WaterDragon (Only America has the moral authority and the resolve to lead the world in the 21st Century.)
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To: Doe Eyes
That's not trashing the Brits, it's just a question about why it's NOW a problem, when it wasn't one back in WWII. No bad names, no accusations, no aspersions on the writer of the article. I'd just like to know why it's a problem now. The question deserves an answer.
48 posted on 05/04/2003 3:46:15 PM PDT by dandelion
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To: WaterDragon
I think the Telegraph is one of the best English papers in the world, and this article says nothing suprising. We aren't peace keepers.
49 posted on 05/04/2003 3:47:27 PM PDT by gcruse (Piety is only skin deep, but hypocrisy goes clear to the soul.)
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To: anniegetyourgun
ROFL!
50 posted on 05/04/2003 3:47:30 PM PDT by WaterDragon (Only America has the moral authority and the resolve to lead the world in the 21st Century.)
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To: No Truce With Kings
4. The British pussyfooted around Basra for two full weeks, scared to venture into battle. The US surged towards Baghdad at full speed in a sandstorm, and conquered Baghdad at darn near the same exact time that Basra truly fell. Good that the Brits are so good at peace, because they are certainly no USA when it comes to war, however imperial their heritage.

We aren't accustomed to sipping tea with the natives, because the US is about doing the job and going home, not setting up a colony...

51 posted on 05/04/2003 3:48:31 PM PDT by EaglesUpForever (Boycott france and russia for at least 20 years)
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To: The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
How did you post a reply without replying to any one person?
52 posted on 05/04/2003 3:49:19 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: WaterDragon
This newspaper is comparing apples and oranges. Baghdad has a lot of Saddam loyalists while Southern Iraq contained none.
53 posted on 05/04/2003 3:50:21 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: dandelion
Do you think an article in the New York Times speaks for all of the United States. Trash the article, the source, but not the UK.
54 posted on 05/04/2003 3:59:10 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: WaterDragon
You are right and correct about not wanting to be a nit picker. But, as it urinated me, I will do it for you and take on this jerkoff author for this rag. It seems there is always a Bernie Montgomery syndrome exhibited by a jealous SOB hidden somewhere in the Brit mentality. So lets us find some fault with the British commanders and their battle plans, not the excellent British troops

The Americans conquered over 300 miles of hostile country charging forward from their base of operations and supplies. This though weeks of constant up close and personal combat.

Now compare the Brits, they never got out of sight of Kuwait City and their base of operations or supplies. They barely got past the outer city limits of Basra during the same time frame as the Americans conquered the rest of Iraq.

I also remember that "soft and easy" MO of sitting by and letting the Sadamnites slaughter the civilians in Basra with artillery, this while the Brit commanders timidly played whist outside the city without proactively intervening. At the same time the Brit combat troops were raising hell and chomping at the bit to close with the enemy and bring it to a halt.

Fact, Americans took Baghdad in one day, they took the entire country in less time than the Brits got to the city center of Basra. And that they were only able to do with full American fixed and rotor winged airpower.
55 posted on 05/04/2003 3:59:15 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: WaterDragon
"Last week, Americans killed 15 people - among them two young boys - at Fallujah, an impoverished Shia area 30 miles west of Baghdad - when locals became angry at their occupation of the local school."

If I were the Telegraph's copy editor, I would re-write that sentence to this:

Last week, Americans killed 15 people - among them two young boys who were shooting AK-47s at them - at Fallujah, an impoverished Shia area 30 miles west of Baghdad - when ex-Ba'athist Party officials pretended to become angry at the Americans' occupation of the local school. They provoked a crowd of fellow Ba'athists to riot, even giving AK-47s to innocent 15-yer olds and taunting them to shoot at the Marines in an attempt to force the Marines to fire back in front of the pre-arranged CNN cameras. The ex-Ba'ath Party officials are struggling to get the Marines out of Fallujah so they can establish a foothold from which they can regain their lost power and authority.

56 posted on 05/04/2003 4:00:32 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty" not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Arthur McGowan
Just delete the name in the "To:" field on the reply form.
57 posted on 05/04/2003 4:00:46 PM PDT by The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
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To: Grampa Dave
Yep they have em.....replaced their older M60's long time ago.

Stay Safe !

58 posted on 05/04/2003 4:01:08 PM PDT by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: Grampa Dave
Do the Marines even have Abrams?

I wondered that too at one point, but to answer your question... Yes, they do!

59 posted on 05/04/2003 4:01:12 PM PDT by F-117A
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
But, as it urinated me, I will do it for you and take on this jerkoff author for this rag.

I agree with this poster.

60 posted on 05/04/2003 4:03:50 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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