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Iraqis can keep their assault rifles
Orange County Register ^ | June 1, 2003 | Edmund L. Andrews

Posted on 06/01/2003 12:51:56 PM PDT by fightinJAG

Edited on 04/14/2004 10:06:04 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
If gun owners ever got organized and quit expecting others to take care of problems for them, they could eliminate anti- gun laws.
41 posted on 06/02/2003 3:20:47 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: fightinJAG
Lucky pups..
42 posted on 06/02/2003 3:42:52 PM PDT by eyes_only
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To: Redbob
These laws we have weren't passed in a single day, and it'll certainly take more than a single Administration to dismantle them. "Assault weapons" and high-cap magazine ban is first.

What you say is true, .... but.. One supreme court decision could begin the unraveling of the entire scheme of gun control. And it wouldn't take long once an unambiguous Supreme Court decision was in place. With such a precident it would be much harder to re-impose any sort of gun control on the general populace. Absent such a decision, what one adminstration tears down, another can build up, and they won't wait 10 years to do it either.

That said, what does "the adminstration" have to do with it, their unchallenged official possition is that the President will sign the renewal bill if it comes to his desk. It's up to Congress to see that it never makes it there, but the statements of his spokespersons won't make that any easier.

43 posted on 06/03/2003 4:09:26 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
If I had the choice between a semi-automatic AK-47 or a fully automatic, I would take the semi-automatic. Full auto just sprays bullets and wastes ammunition.

I do believe they have a selector switch. Nice to have the full auto in those rare instances when you need it, but you have to discipline yourself not to use it when you don't need it. Besides rock and roll is fun! If a bit expensive.

44 posted on 06/03/2003 4:17:23 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Epasonic
The wording was intentionally left open to interpretation.

Bull$hit.

Read This from the Second Amendment Sisters web site and come back and try to sell that liberal lie.


Eaker

45 posted on 06/03/2003 4:28:37 PM PDT by Eaker (84,999,987 firearm owners killed no one yesterday. Somehow, it didn't make the news.)
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To: Ford Fairlane
that our constitution allows us!!

But not our government.

46 posted on 06/03/2003 4:36:21 PM PDT by StriperSniper (Frogs are for gigging)
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To: Epasonic
Sadly the line is not that distinct. The wording is "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

The wording was intentionally left open to interpretation. Some view this as a statement that only military personel should have this right. Also under the other interpretation, the ammendment states nothing about ammunition. The government could legally ban ammunition, without infringing upon constitutional rights.

Absolutely nothing ambigous about "right of the people" nor "keep and bear arms", the rest is merely introdution and justification, not any limitation, if you follow standard English grammer rules. It does not say "right of the state", nor even "right of the militia". Ammunition is part of arms, just as knives and swords are. Or did you think arms==guns? Guns are included in "arms" but "arms" include much more. Like cannon for instance, and ships to mount them on.

The version you've quoted probably has too many commas, there really should be only the one between "state" and "the". Copies of the BoR sent to the states had only the one comma, as did the version sent to the "printer" to be printed, but somewhere along the line the extra commas were added. The 3 comma version was rarely seen, except in that printed version which still exists, until about the time some people wanted to make it subject to "interpretation"

Epasonic
Since Jun 1, 2003

Go away troll.

47 posted on 06/03/2003 4:42:30 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Epasonic
What part of "the people" don't you understand?

The moon is made of green cheese, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

That's your English lesson for today.
48 posted on 06/03/2003 4:46:21 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: StriperSniper
But not our government.

I wish enough of us would get p!$$ed off enough to do something about that

49 posted on 06/03/2003 7:37:19 PM PDT by Ford Fairlane
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To: Epasonic
The Second Amendment is crystal clear. The only thing left open to interpertation is if, (a)you're a moron, (b)you're ignorant, (c)you have an (NWO?) disarmamnet agenda, or (d)all of the above.
50 posted on 06/09/2003 11:47:56 AM PDT by TERMINATTOR (Don't tread on me!)
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To: drlevy88
Wal how do ya say "yee-haw" in Arabic?

Allahu Ahkbar

51 posted on 06/09/2003 11:51:16 AM PDT by RoughDobermann
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To: fightinJAG
When crime in Baghdad begins to fall below that of our major cities, we will have an EXCELLENT talking point! ;o)
52 posted on 06/09/2003 11:53:25 AM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: Euro-American Scum
Nice to know the Second Amendment is alive and well somewhere.

LOL!

53 posted on 06/09/2003 11:58:30 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: tpaine
Ali the goatherder can now possess a rifle absolutely prohibited to any of the citizens of the late great state of CA..

What state are you in, where you can go buy a *full auto* AK-47s without jumping through 1000 hoops, being licensed, with no strings attached? As I think those in Iraq are allowed to keep and maintain these types of full auto rifles.

54 posted on 06/09/2003 12:05:24 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Read much?
- That is exactly my point.
55 posted on 06/09/2003 12:08:55 PM PDT by tpaine (Really, I'm trying to be a 'decent human being', but me flesh is weak.)
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To: tpaine
I read fine. You specified CA. Are there other states where it is OK to own these types of firearms, without all the strings attached as I mentioned ?
56 posted on 06/09/2003 12:11:34 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: RusIvan

Interesting they probably would need new one like ak74?

The AK-74 is very unpopular outside of Russia because of the unique ammunition for it. However, they may be interested in the AK-101 which is the 5.56 NATO version of that rifle.

57 posted on 06/09/2003 12:12:43 PM PDT by Sparta (Tagline removed by moderator)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
How inane.
I said that they were prohibited in CA, not that they were 'easy' to get anywhere else in the USA.
Everyone here is well aware of the NFA of '34.
58 posted on 06/09/2003 12:22:27 PM PDT by tpaine (Really, I'm trying to be a 'decent human being', but me flesh is weak.)
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To: tpaine
Ali the goatherder can now possess a rifle absolutely prohibited to any of the citizens of the late great state of CA.

I said that they were prohibited in CA, not that they were 'easy' to get anywhere else in the USA.

Actually that's not what you stated, as your remark was specifically directed at CA, and was clearly vague, and ambiguous and seemed to suggest that owning a full auto outside of the state was somehow easy to obtain and or legal, when in reality, they are either outright outlawed or severely regulated throughout the entire country.

Thanks for the clarification.

59 posted on 06/09/2003 1:02:33 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: steplock
Gotta hate the left-wing radical extremists ... who haven't the slightest idea of reality - nor of what constitutes "Heavy Weapons"

You are wrong. First, the OC Register is about as conservative/libertarian as a major newspaper comes. Second, the American plan is to confiscate "heavy" weapons, like anti-aircraft artillery and such. That is what the Register means when the term is used.

60 posted on 06/09/2003 1:07:01 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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