FOX NEWS: Rev. Gene Robinson Confirmed As Episcopal Church Bishop

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[jwalsh07]

I would agree confessing believing Christians in ECUSA are going to have to be prepared to part with their property in a lot of instances.

They have three choices. Split and fight them in court. Remain in the Diocese, throw away the word of God and substitute the word of some men and women. Or simply leave the church as individuals and retrun to the word of God where and when they can find it.

I can only speak for my own and my daughters family will leave the church undoubtedly.

[icu2]

#81 And it will be in the others in your neighborhood soon.

[Fifth Business]

They might as well burn the ... Bible.

Can you spare the rest of us your potty-mouth? Thanks.

[AppyPappy]

Donald Wildemon is a Methodist. He says he's not running from a fight and I feel the same way. Let your voice be heard.

[niteowl77]

The Episcopal religion is the best.

Just like the Packers, huh? Sorry, but it was only a denomination until today... although you may technically be correct now.

They don't just use the Bible alone as the only truth. They used the Bible AND they follow the holy spirit. They can do anything they want, wherever the spirit leads them, and still go to heaven.

What do they use? A 40-60 split? Our Lord Jesus Christ states that there is only ONE unpardonable sin, and if you are a true believer in Him, then don't put your foot in that one. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are not going to be working at cross-purposes.

[lizma]

This man is so greedy he will watch the church destroyed for his own gratification.

Think about it. This exactly how this church came into being.

[montag813]

Do you think there's anyone out there thinking...Well, I wasn't going to break off from the Church, but since mongate813 said I should in BIG CAPITAL LATTERS - hmmm...the BIG CAPITAL LETTER argument is so convincing that I must now reconsider.

Very funny. Please forgive my zeal and CAPS. This has upset me greatly. Good comment.

[Coleus]

Also, the Episcopalians believe that Divorce is OK, that Confession/Reconciliation is not a Sacrament, women can become priests, the pope is not the successor of Peter, etc. There are many differences. Oh, the Catholic Church was started by Christ and the Episcopalians/Anglican Church were started by an Adulterous and Murderous King Henry the VIII, where the previous where Roman Catholic until the King couldn't get a divorce.

[Coleus]

I wonder what ramifications this will have with their church.

[AnAmericanMother]

... and Screwtape smiles a knowing smile.

[Fifth Business]

I would like to give Gene Robinson a piece of my mind, sorry about expressing how I feel, and in the same language I would use.

I understand. There's a lot of anger and frustration we all are feeling.

[pyx]

The homosexual activists could have easily formed their own church and had ANY philosophy they wanted and established ANY policy they wanted on anything.

But its not about that. Its about destroying what exists, not forming something new that suits them. Its essentially about wiping out a centuries old institution by stealing it and transforming it into something alien.

If Christians and conservatives continue to bring a knife to a gunfight with the LEFT, they will continue to lose.

A start might be to DEMAND that Rev. Vicki Gene Robinson publically answer one simple question; "What is the basis for your assertion that the Bible and God's word is WRONG regarding sodomy and homosexuality ?"

[chainsaw]

"They gain thousands of new gay members "

More like a few hundred.

[Jim Noble]

I am not a Catholic, but I think you are wrong about the state of affairs in the Church in America.

My qualifications to speak on this are: I was raised in the United Church of Christ, where I was taught Sunday School by a homosexual alcoholic who was suicidal. The UCC now is "open and affirming" of homosexual persons, and ordains them gladly. I worshiped as an adult in an Episcopal Church where I taught Sunday School and served as a lector. I am married to a Catholic, I go to a Catholic Church, and my children are in, or will be in, CCD. I completed an RCIA program in a major metropolitan US diocese.

The covert and overt involvement of US RC clergy with gay advocacy and gay issues equals or surpasses that I found in the UCC or the Episcopal Church. I take your point that, "officially", the RCC is opposed to developments such as those that have destroyed the UCC and are destroying the Episcopal Church, but at the parish level where most catholics worship and receive spiritual formation, the difference is more in theory than it is real.

The first grade CCD curriculum introduces gay issues at an age that is, IMO, inappropriate. There is no question that the vast majority of RC clergy of my acquaintance are at a minimum homotolerant if not actually affirming.

It is possible that a future pope could, reclaiming powers that popes have exercised in the past, try to turn from this course.

There is little evidence that this pope has done so, or will do so.

[Paulus Invictus]

Absolutely disgusting and proof that The Anglicans are not Christians. So what are they?

[Credo]

Terry Mattingly has a good description of what is going on in the Mainline Protestant Denominations now.

Terry Mattingly's 4 Camps

Hopefully the faithful in ECUSA can act in concert

[jwalsh07]

08-05) 17:44 PDT LONDON (AP) --

The U.S. Episcopal Church's confirmation of the election of a gay bishop may test the limits of the Anglican Communion's proud reputation for diversity.

Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams had hoped to avoid an immediate showdown on the issue, urging both sides to refrain from any action which would threaten Anglican unity.

But the church's House of Bishops ended up approving the election of the Rev. V. Gene Robinson as bishop of New Hampshire on Tuesday after dismissing last-minute allegations involving "touching" and "pornography" against the clergyman.

The approval was anathema to leaders of the doctrinally conservative and thriving branches of the church in Africa.

Even before Tuesday's decision, Archbishop Peter Akinola, who heads the 17.5 million-member Anglican Church in Nigeria, condemned Robinson's election as "a Satanic attack on God's church." He previously severed relations with the Anglican diocese of New Westminster in Canada because it sanctioned the blessing of gay relationships.

The Anglican Communion brings together the churches founded by the Church of England in the days of the British Empire.

Unlike the Catholic Church, where authority flows down from the Vatican, Anglicanism is a loose association of 38 national provinces which, in practical terms, do as they wish.

They have different prayer books, and they have differed on ordaining women as priests and allowing women priests to become bishops. Despite threats of splits, the communion held together.

In 1998, the Lambeth Conference -- a once-a-decade gathering of the world's Anglican bishops -- overwhelmingly voted to declare homosexuality to be "incompatible with Scripture" and said homosexuals should not be ordained as priests.

That is the line which Williams has tried to hold since he was enthroned in February, though he personally disagrees with it. He has urged Anglican bishops not to press ahead with controversial initiatives when there is no consensus in the communion.

There is nothing the archbishop can do, however, to make any of the provinces toe the line.

He was spared a showdown within the Church of England this year when Canon Jeffrey John, who has been honest about his homosexuality, decided to withdraw from nomination as bishop of Reading.

Paul Handley, editor of the English weekly newspaper Church Times, commented that it's difficult to know what a split in the Anglican Communion would mean.

"There is absolutely no authority structure above the provincial level, so they are together voluntarily anyway," said Handley.

In practical terms, the Third World conservatives who criticize the Episcopal Church would miss its financial support.

"If you are talking about winners and losers, it's the poorer provinces which must be the losers," Handley said.

Akinola recently acknowledged the financial dilemma.

"Our boldness in condemning the spiritual bankruptcy of these churches must be matched by our refusal to receive financial help from them," Akinola said in a June statement, reported by Religion News Service. "This means that we must become self-reliant as a matter of urgency so that we will not only meet our own needs locally, but also those of our poor African brethren."

Earlier, the Rev. David Phillips, general secretary of the Church Society in Britain, urged the Church of England to cut its ties to the Episcopal Church if Robinson's appointment is confirmed. The Church Society last year urged Williams to refuse appointment as archbishop, in part because of his liberal views on homosexuality.

"It is an important issue, it shows that the leaders in the American church are not Christian, they are following their own ideas about what they want," Phillips said.

On the other side, the Rev. Richard Kirker of the Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement said he would be "delighted" by Robinson's election.

"We look forward to the Church of England and other parts of the Anglican Church taking some encouragement -- and being willing to take a lead -- from the American church, whose decision is very prophetic and truly Christian," Kirker said.

[icu2]

#186 Where would the spirit lead that you might have to say "and still go to Heaven"?

[Jorge]

It means BYE BYE for any born-again Episcopals who believe the Bible

Not necessarily.
It is possible for born-again Christians to be wrong on some aspect of Biblical doctrine, just as it is possible for genuine Christians to commit sin.

Of course it is hard to imagine many Episcopals who are faithful to the Bible not drawing the line on the ordination of gay Bishops.