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One Reason for the Blackout Maybe . . . Enviro Wackos {Or just wacko ?}
http://www.newsmax.com ^ | Thursday, Aug 14, 2003 | Alan Caruba

Posted on 08/14/2003 7:59:04 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK

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Maybe 8-14-03 needs to be added to 9-11-01 as a reminder of that? Environmentalists have been attacking the economic and energy base of this nation for decades.

Im sorry but to compare this with 911 to me is just wacko altogether! looks to me like there wasnt any looting and only a few fights over damn phones theres no comparison if you cant live without electric for a few hours god help you if terrorist do attack a power grid !

1 posted on 08/14/2003 7:59:05 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Nuclear power. Clean, safe, and cheap. Just ask France, the one thing they got right.
2 posted on 08/14/2003 8:02:07 PM PDT by Russell Scott (A liberal believes a lie is truth, and is easily influenced by the Father of Lies, Satan)
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Doesn't New York have a brand-spanking new nuclear power plant that Cuomo idled before it even went online? New York coulda used that juice.
3 posted on 08/14/2003 8:04:45 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: Russell Scott
Nuclear power. Clean, safe, and cheap.

I agree but we might kill a cockroach or 2
Building them that would'nt be good for special interest groups and enviroMENTAL wackos.

Next there will be legislation on lightning and floods.

We have people here in cincinnati freaking out over this running and buying generators and groceries and were not even affected with this outage.

And the local media are PANIC MONGERS with coverage from wall to wall its ridiculous

4 posted on 08/14/2003 8:09:15 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (ONLY DEAD FISH...... "GO WITH THE FLOW")
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Frankly, I don't think it's the enviros or terrorism - I think it's the Air Intel Agency doing an "exercise" during time of war to make sure the civilian agencies can handle the job in case of real terrorism.

Enviros would have left a note - on the Internet.

Al-Quaida never does just one job at a time - at least 2 at the same time, they try for as many as possible (9/11).

Just loved Dubbya's poker face tonight at 8:30 - like he was so upset.

CAN TEXANS LIE? /off sarcasm
5 posted on 08/14/2003 8:11:12 PM PDT by japaneseghost
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To: JohnHuang2; MadIvan; TonyInOhio; MeeknMing; itreei; jd792; Molly Pitcher; muggs; Bikers4Bush; ...
The barf bag is to your left please place your seat in an upright position and put away your tray tables

Bump

6 posted on 08/14/2003 8:11:43 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (ONLY DEAD FISH...... "GO WITH THE FLOW")
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
The author of this article is a jackass.

The state of New York has sufficient capacity to meet the demand for power even in a 100-degree heat wave. This blackout was NOT caused by a lack of generating capacity.

This dumb sh!t can't even tell the difference between a local blackout caused by a lack of power and a catastrophic failure across an entire energy grid.

7 posted on 08/14/2003 8:11:55 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Freakin' moron.
8 posted on 08/14/2003 8:12:46 PM PDT by mhking
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Oh, yeah . . .

All the nuclear power plants in the affected area were shut down today just as quickly as coal-fired plants and natural gas plants were.

The only plants that appear to have been unaffected are the hydroelectric plants.

9 posted on 08/14/2003 8:14:18 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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Press conference just recently with officials from Niagara Mohawk in Syracuse... Indicated that power facilities properly took themselves offline to avoid damage. I don't think this blackout was a result of lack of power generating facilities.
10 posted on 08/14/2003 8:15:01 PM PDT by rockinonritalin
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To: Alberta's Child
The value of history. Those of us old enough remember multiple wide spread power failures in the past. This one looks just like November 1965. That one was caused by a mis-set overload relay in the Niagara region that caused a cascade of true overloads all over the grid. It took about 12 or so hours to restart NYC, as I remember.

Many individual generators ran away up to 4 times normal frequency when they lost their electrical load. I hope this time there was quicker response in blowing the steam pressure.

The worst part of this is being old enough to remember that blackout and hearing all the idiots on television talking about terrorism as if this was not a normal type of failure with precedent.

11 posted on 08/14/2003 8:19:17 PM PDT by Mike4Freedom (Freedom is the one thing that you cannot have unless you grant it to everyone else.)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Could a WORM have gotten into their systems?
12 posted on 08/14/2003 8:19:23 PM PDT by Aquamarine
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
why so pessamistic? how about it was just the lighting strike. it happens . and I'm not defending the enviromental--- weinies either. sometimes stuff happens.
13 posted on 08/14/2003 8:22:44 PM PDT by Walnut
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But beyond that, two questions left unanswered since the 2000-01 energy crisis cast shadows over the state's medium and long-term electricity outlook:

Who will build power plants, and why? Conservation efforts and a slow economy cut electricity demand and helped end California's last energy crisis. But an economic revival and steady population growth will eventually boost demand, and older power plants will shut because of pollution rules and competitive pressures. Investors won't pony up billions of dollars for new plants without clear rules that limit risks.


Not everyone wants to rush to build more plants. Green activists stress the importance of reducing energy use and shifting load to renewable wind, solar and geothermal power sources. ... Sagging gas prices helped California escape the crisis in 2001, but recently prices have jumped to $6 per million Btus. Relief may be a long way off. On June 10, Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan told a Congressional hearing on the natural gas market that "we are not apt to return to earlier periods of relative abundance and low prices anytime soon."

With uncharacteristic clarity, Greenspan explained that "in the United States, rising demand for natural gas, especially as a clean-burning source of electric power, is pressing against a supply essentially restricted to North American production."

To get out of that bind, the United States needs to tap natural gas reserves overseas, he added. Most of those reserves are in Russia and the Middle East and must be chilled and compressed into liquid form to be shipped to the United States. Handling that flow of liquefied natural gas "will require a major expansion of LNG terminal import capacity," he said.

That will cost billions of dollars, and won't happen soon and almost certainly not in California, which has no existing facilities. Public opposition recently prompted the Vallejo City Council to reject a plan for a LNG terminal at the former Mare Island Naval Shipyard. Other California communities aren't likely to be more welcoming, so several energy companies have set their sights on the West Coast of Mexico as a host for new LNG facilities. But no project has the needed permits, and imports remain years away.
14 posted on 08/14/2003 8:30:52 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Could it be the sun?
15 posted on 08/14/2003 8:42:47 PM PDT by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
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To: GoOrdnance
Yucca Mountain. Not a perfect solution, but only environazis insist on perfection in an imperfect world.
18 posted on 08/14/2003 9:09:41 PM PDT by SAJ (Trust government, any government, and you're digging your own grave)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
"Preliminary causes of the outage could have been caused by a squirrel, lightning, or terrorism."


What about lightning-fast terrorist squirrels?

19 posted on 08/14/2003 9:43:54 PM PDT by DCBryan1
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
I would like to ask the wacko's if they want to do without A/C?

lesson here.... DRILL ANWR
20 posted on 08/14/2003 10:51:04 PM PDT by The UnVeiled Lady
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