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To: Right Wing Professor
Nor does evolution. All evolution states is that the origins of the living organisms we see can be explained by natural processes;
Which is contrary to how Scripture said it happened. There is NO basis for moral law in evolution other than human preference. If you can make a case that there is a basis for such, do so. However, your friends tried to use nature as the basis which in and of itself can't explain why one man's moral law in America is different from another's in Saudi Arabia which is different from another's in the jungles of Indonesia. God's law is seen in creation to a certain extent, but the fact that man has so wide a range of opinions on what is moral and what isn't is proof that there is no self-evident basis for moral law outside of a Creator who has given His moral law. Again, if you can make the case on how evolution has a basis for moral law, by all means. Saying it is neutral doesn't work, because in standing against Scripture and the supernatural it has forfeited such neutrality.

just as calculus states that dynamical systems can be explained by a particular kind of mathematical equations. By showing how x changes with time, does calculus try to get rid of God, in saying that x does not change simply according to His will, but according to a set of mathematical laws? By doing medical research, do we try to get rid of God in curing the sick? You are comparing apples with oranges. Scripture makes distinct truth claims for itself. In postulating that these things did not occur the way Scripture says they occurred, Evolution is setting itself up over Scripture. Calculus, by itself, is pretty neutral. Medical research is nowhere prohibited in the Bible. It's apples and oranges. Evolution deals with origins, specifically. It specifically sets itself against the biblical account. Darwin knew he was doing this as did every "churchman" who joined him in the apostasy (study Crawford Toy for example) of the late 1800s. It sets itself up as anti-biblical. If you don't agree with this, just look at how these threads go "see, science say that lice came about 70,000 years ago (or whatever, I can't see the thread right now). The Bible can't be right!" It's not neutral, and any claimed neutrality is feigned.
53 posted on 08/26/2003 2:45:47 PM PDT by DittoJed2 (Romans 1:20)
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To: DittoJed2
There is NO basis for moral law in evolution other than human preference. If you can make a case that there is a basis for such, do so.

This is like talking to a brick wall.

Saying it is neutral doesn't work, because in standing against Scripture and the supernatural it has forfeited such neutrality.

Evolution contradicts a literal reading of your personal favorite creation story. It does not contradict any moral teaching, per se.

"see, science say that lice came about 70,000 years ago (or whatever, I can't see the thread right now). The Bible can't be right!"

The first person to bring the Bible into it was an anti-evolution poster.

55 posted on 08/26/2003 2:57:11 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: DittoJed2
just as calculus states that dynamical systems can be explained by a particular kind of mathematical equations. By showing how x changes with time, does calculus try to get rid of God, in saying that x does not change simply according to His will, but according to a set of mathematical laws? By doing medical research, do we try to get rid of God in curing the sick? You are comparing apples with oranges. Scripture makes distinct truth claims for itself. In postulating that these things did not occur the way Scripture says they occurred, Evolution is setting itself up over Scripture.

Yes, but what about astronomy? Most of today's creationists have given up the game before they even started, but there are some creationists who are able to see the Big Picture:

Once Satan's counterfeit of God's Truth of an earth-centered geocentric universe gained control of "higher" education, the way was clear to foist his evolutionary counterfeit into the corridors of academia with very little opposition! The real spade work had already been done!

Copernicans Voltaire and Erasmus Darwin (Charles' grandfather) were developing "ape-man" theories in the 1700's. ... Is there anyone anywhere who will not give 100 to 1 odds that the earliest proselytizers of evolutionism were not avowed Copernicans, having just received that great quantum leap in "wisdom" from their grandfathers?? I can find none.

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Thus, secure from any credible attack on their Copernican "science" front, the new Darwinian "science" offensive could then link hands with the "established scientific truth" of a rotating, orbiting Earth and forge boldly ahead toward the goal of pushing the Bible completely off stage as a repository of Truth.

In all this, as many of you know, Ernst Haeckel was a powerful force early in the establishment of Darwinism. This biological note about Herr Haeckel succinctly tells what happened and why it happened: "Ernst Haeckel wedded the idea of classical physics [Copernicanism] with the new Darwinian history of nature to form a comprehensive materialist cosmology, or `anti-theology'..."14 (More on Haeckel HERE.)

This "comprehensive materialist cosmology" is what Creationists today are up against and, excepting a handful, they do not know it! Evolutionism does NOT stand alone as a Bible-wrecking, contra-scientific deception, Satanically conceived. Oh no! Evolutionism is historically, philosophically, scientifically, and spiritually WEDDED TO a previously conceived Bible-wrecking, contra-scientific deception called Copernicanism! The Creation "movement" today denies or ignores this wedded union and thus is not 1/50th the threat to Satan's kingdoms in this world that it can and should be.

Fellow Creationists: It's wake-up time!!

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While knowledgeable Creationists have known about the Communist-Socialist-Humanist dependency upon evolutionism, they have not generally known or thought about the Copernican connection to the same "isms". It is now time to understand this connection! It is now time to understand how Copernicanism PAVED THE WAY for the acceptance of Darwinism, and how Darwinism, in turn supplied the basis for conquest of the Social and Behavioral "sciences" (and the Arts, Mathematics, and Religion). It is time to understand that Communism and Humanism are equally dependent upon that other foundational "scientific" principle that goes hand in glove with evolutionism. That pre-evolutionary principle was and is Bible-bashing Copernicanism....

Does someone say they aren't convinced that the very heartbeat of Communist and Humanist ideology is the anti-Bible moving earth concept we call Copernicanism??

Let such a one lend an ear to what a gathering of Communist scientists in London in 1931 were saying. They knew that their system absolutely depended on a conviction that nothing in the universe can be motionless. (If anything could be motionless, then the earth could be as the Bible says, and the game would be over!)

See? Copernicanism had already "fertilized the ground" for both Darwinism & Communism 300 years earlier!

60 posted on 08/26/2003 3:20:53 PM PDT by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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