(Now you'll bring up the obigatory stories of the attempt at prohibition. LOL)
What's funny about Prohibition? Was it the deaths from tainted "bathtub gin" or the gangland shootings?
Posted on 09/16/2003 7:09:14 AM PDT by Wolfie
Scientists retract second drug study
Mislabeled vial used again in new Ecstasy research at Johns Hopkins lab
Scientists at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine have retracted a second study linking the drug Ecstasy to a certain type of brain damage - because once again, the wrong drug was given to lab animals.
Dr. Una D. McCann, a neuroscientist involved in both experiments, said a letter of retraction was sent yesterday to a medical journal, which she declined to identify until editors there decide how to handle the matter. Scientists discovered the mistake after they checked lab records to see if methamphetamine - a variety of "speed" - from a mislabeled vial used in the first experiment had been used elsewhere.
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Not really...
I'm sorry to hear that. Is it true for twelve and thirteen year olds, too?
Then why did you post to my response to the individual who DID bring up the topic of culling the weak?
I could point you to some of the thousands of doctors, scientists, and researchers that believe that some currently illegal drugs could be used as, among other things, pain relievers and mood stabilizers, if you'd like.
I have no problem with currently illegal drugs being used by prescription as long as they are put through the same testing as any other drug prior to approval for such use.
After all, any amount of alcohol makes one drunk and stupid, right?
I doubt medical science would agree that ANY amount makes one drunk and stupid. But frankly, I wouldn't mind outlawing alcohol as well. :)
(Now you'll bring up the obigatory stories of the attempt at prohibition. LOL)
True. But many have the idea that recreational drug use is not all that bad, as long as they don't become addicted freaks. I think legalization would encourage them in that view.
No, they (guns)pretty much do one thing - shoot a bullet or bullets.True enough. Perhaps I need to clarify for you. :)
The bullets shot from guns can be used to kill animals for food. The bullets shot from guns can be used to defend one's family against a drug-crazed lunatic.
Or the guns from bullets can be used to kill an innocent person.
The ONLY purpose for illegal drugs is to get high, which makes one much more dangerous than one would be if one were NOT high.
Then the Feds have very legitimate jurisdiction.
It isn't the issue of usefulness as the danger to society.
And it's funny that someone who promotes legalizing drugs would presume to call anything anyone else does 'immoral'. Sort of like a Democrat saying something is 'immoral.' They have no credibility on that subject.
I agree that it seems likeliest.
This would be a social cost of legalization.
I think it is flatly wrong to restrict adults' freedoms to lessen "social costs" that people impose on themselves.
The opposite is true: "teens find marijuana easier to buy than cigarettes and alcohol." - National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse (CASA) at Columbia University, CASA 2002 Teen Survey
Is it really easier to buy, throughout America?
This is a result from nationwide research, yes.
I can't support restricting the freedoms of all adults, including the great parents, because some kids are poorly parented.
It's a good point. And that, to me, is the main trade-off. Would the net suffering be less?
Again, I think it is flatly wrong to restrict adults' freedoms to lessen suffering that people impose on themselves.
there is something particularly horrible about young men rotting in prison for possessing a plant, due to a law passed by men who enjoy narcotic alcohol drinks every day.
Amen!
A person who is sleepy generally knows they are sleepy and either does something to wake themselves up until they can get to a safe place to stop, or they pull over. (Note I said generally.)
A person who is high is generally too screwed up to think that straight.
Go for it. I'm too busy with the libertines and their push to legalize currently illegal drugs.
(Now you'll bring up the obigatory stories of the attempt at prohibition. LOL)
What's funny about Prohibition? Was it the deaths from tainted "bathtub gin" or the gangland shootings?
I was free with my expression because I consider almost all use of these drugs to be abuse, including the use by your friend. I'm glad he's doing well.
A person who is high is generally too screwed up to think that straight.
Provide evidence for these claims. I generally knew when I was drunk.
No, it's entirely apt. "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others"---all other use is immoral.
You keep flip-flopping on this. And you have yet to show that drug users are more dangerous to society than sleepy people.
But didn't you just concede that it's possible that some currently illegal drugs could be used as prescription drugs treating a variety of ailments, as long as they passed drug testing standards? How did you come back to "only one use" after one post? As long as they're fully illegal, they'll never have any other uses, because further drug testing can't be implemented under threat of incarceration. Funny how the government works...
I fully agree that using illegal drugs to get "high" can make one more dangerous to others. The notion that it does, without fail, is absolutely absurd. A thirty year old man sitting in his living room watching TV while using marijuana is no more dangerous to others than a thirty year old man doing the same thing while perfectly sober. If he gets behind the wheel of a car, maybe the risk of an accident is higher (although many recent studies seem to dispel that notion). That's why driving while under the influence is illegal, which was my initial point. The laws currently in place protect against and punish the things you're afraid of.
And, just to clean house, as for the first question of your previous response: I didn't respond to the portion of your post dealing with "culling the weak". I responded to a second, completely different point. You can handle two thought processes at once, can't you? (insert silly smiley face to let you know I'm only kidding here)
Wrong---no evidence of interstate commerce OR medical issues here:
Anchorage Daily News
(Published: September 11, 2003)
Seven people were arrested Tuesday on charges of selling drugs and marketing lights and equipment used to grow marijuana, federal prosecutors said. Among them is a man who last month accused U.S. Customs officials of ripping up his trailer because his rat terrier bit a drug-sniffing dog at the Alaska-Canada border.
The seven, plus an eighth defendant who was already in jail on another drug conviction, were indicted under seal in May. They are Steven Martin Walker, 42, and Robert G. McKenna, 51, both of Wasilla; Thomas Matthew Skonieczki, 49, and Clyde Dennis Fowler, 60, of Anchorage; and Waymon Ross Price, 44, Larry D. Hill, 57, and Diane Jenni Hill, 61, all of Big Lake. Robert Claude Hosie, 59, of Anchorage, was already in custody.
The indictments grew out of a three-year investigation of local garden supply stores that sold lights and equipment the owners knew would be used to grow marijuana, prosecutors said. Undercover federal agents bought starter marijuana plants, equipment and cocaine from some of the defendants.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Stephan Collins said the government does not believe the eight are part of a marijuana ring. The defendants were "just opportunists," he said.
Federal agents say that Price, the former owner of Brandy's Hydroponics in Big Lake, sold light systems and other growing equipment in October 2001 and laundered drug money. It was Price who claimed that customs officials caused thousands of dollars in damage to his trailer Aug. 19. Collins said Price had been named in a secret indictment at the time.
According to the indictments unsealed this week, Walker is a former owner of Far North Garden Supply and sold 1,000-watt halogen light bulbs, light shields and electrical transformers he believed would be used to grow marijuana.
Hosie, the former owner of Alaska Winter Gardens Hydroponics, sold equipment, drug paraphernalia and marijuana from September to November last year, the indictment says. He and McKenna are charged with conspiracy to deal marijuana; McKenna also is charged with distributing cocaine.
Federal officials said Skoni-eczki and Fowler used the garden store Advanced Hydroponics, of which Skonieczki is part owner, to sell marijuana. The Hills were charged with growing marijuana at a residence in Big Lake.
Zoran Yankovich, assistant special agent at the Drug Enforcement Administration, said that agents working independently on different investigations found receipts for equipment being used to grow marijuana and traced the supplies back to local garden stores.
"There are lots of marijuana grows throughout central Alaska," Yankovich said. "The grow supplies have got to come from somewhere."
Collins said several of the defendants were arraigned in court Wednesday.
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