Posted on 10/05/2003 3:18:56 PM PDT by truthandlife
If there is anyone left who truly believes the Republican Party is committed to genuine conservative principles, the candidacy of bodybuilder/actor Arnold Schwarzenegger to be California's next governor should be enough to set the record straight.
Despite Schwarzenegger's extreme liberal views, he has won praise from Republicans nationwide. On virtually every issue worth noting, Schwarzenegger comes down on the left side of the page.
Schwarzenegger is pro-abortion, pro-homosexual rights, pro-gun control, pro-green, and pro-illegal immigration. He even said that Clinton's impeachment made him "ashamed" to call himself a Republican.
Furthermore, Schwarzenegger's immoral escapades make even Bill Clinton look unsoiled. He once bragged in an Oui magazine interview about participating in sex orgies, not to mention his repeated admissions of drug use.
In spite of his personal and philosophical discrepancies, Schwarzenegger has received accolades from notable conservatives such as Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Pat Robertson, not to mention practically the entire national Republican hierarchy.
Writing for The New York Times, Frank Rich correctly observed, "It is hilarious to watch conservatives, the same conservatives who often decry phony Hollywood liberals and their followers, betray their own inviolate principles to bask in Arnold's hulking movie-star aura so that they might possibly gain a nominal Republican victory in the bargain."
By supporting a liberal such as Arnold Schwarzenegger, Republicans demonstrate that they have no real loyalty to conservative principles. Beyond that, by supporting Schwarzenegger, they have turned their backs on a true conservative gubernatorial candidate, Tom McClintock.
However, people who are paying attention know that this is the rule, not the exception, for the Republican Party. In race after race, Republican heavyweights will throw their support behind a liberal candidate and will starve out a conservative candidate. This is not an accident or a coincidence. It is the party's plan A. The Republican Party no more desires conservatives in political office than the Democratic Party does, and people who think otherwise are only deceiving themselves.
At some point, conservatives must awaken to the reality that they do not have a political party in Washington, D.C., that represents them. They must, at some point, be willing to abandon the Republican Party and unite around a party and a candidate that will courageously and consistently promote their principles. Can I get a second for Judge Roy Moore and the Constitution Party?
I was talking about laws in certain states. Abortion is an invasive surgical procedure that has resulted in a number of deaths. An ear piercing is a piece ofmetal getting shoved through a flap of skin. Barring strange and massive infection, its pretty simple and safe. There are states that say your daughter has to get parental permission to get an ear piercing, but do not require parental notification for abortion.
Could you point to the part of the Constitution that says the federal government is supposed to regulate laws on people's reproduction? Yeah, I didn't think so.
Okay, I don't like it. I think it was a bad idea. I don't think the federal Constitution was ever originally meant to apply to the states. I don't think it should apply to the states.
I think the federal government is way too big and has way too much power, too. I think the federal government should be reduced in size substantially.
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I am not really worried about Theocracy so much as Atheocracy which we already have. What on earth are you worried about? A loss of "options" or something? Heinlein posited marriage situations of mutual polygamy. I don't think that was one of his better ideas and I don't think it necessary to be religious in order to reject such a notion.
Heinlein is a joy. It is la Rand who is utterly insufferable.
I like your style but disagree with your substance on the evidence to date. Heinlein is usually a very worthwhile read though he is often wrong on some morals and religion while being very right on a number of other things. Arnold is NO Heinlein.
If there were no public skewels, there would be no taxpayer-funded forum for proselytizing the children of others. If you and I will not agree on how my children and yours should be commonly taught with public money, it does not become easier when we include everyone else's kids and opinions. The answer is a strict wall of separation between school and state, is it not?
As to your last paragraph, don't you think Heinlein would agree that whether I provide my chikldren with "birth conrol options" or opportunity for "abortions" both against my Catholic Faith is my business, my wife's business and none of yours, just as I have no business taking over the raising of any kids of yours?
Do you have children? (none of my business or anyone else's here if you do. I ask only that you reflect on your situation) For some people, but not all, having children does change their minds on moral matters.
Lower taxes are indeed desirable but they are not what you will get from Arnie or Wilson. What you will get is gouged for much more tax money to balance the California budget and pay for Arnie's public school and environmental spending schemes. Resisting the enactment of such burdens is certainly a freedom issue. p> It is the right to life and not the rights to liberty or property that is the basis for all other rights. If you were not alive, you could not be free nor could you own property unless you are a corporation.
Your description of Doofus and the Demonrats applies aas well to Arnie who is no moderate. If you are pro-life, vote as a pro-lifer. If you vote for pro-aborts like Arnold, you are NOT pro-life. Words have meanings and ideas have consequences.
Surrender on the installment plan is surrender nonetheless.
How is she wrong? I wasn't even talking about the separation of church and state. Mercer's article is about the federal government crushing states' rights. I guess you're all in favor of the federal government being a contitnetal empire. You're a good statist sheep, then. Yes, there's a separation of Church and state. The Federal government was meant to be silent on the issue of religion. When the US Constitution was written, most states had a state religion. Competition among the states was supposed to keep the states in Check. There is no competition to the federal government. They have a monopoly.
The 14th Amendment was a huge power grab that usurped the original idea of limited central government. The states were never meant to be clients of the federal government.
It has to do with the scope of the federal government and their power.
There's some debate on whether the 14th was ratified legally: Here's one link. and here's another and here's another and here's another.
It seems like it was added so the Radical Republicans could just punish the South some more.
Good to know you're fine with turning the Republic into an Empire that uses force to coerce people into acting the way the Empire wants.
I don't know of a libertarian way but I believe that taxpayer-paid government schooling of children is essential to ensure that all children have the opportunity for schooling.
Public schools are in desperate trouble today but doing away with them is not the solution.
I believe that the government should fund a program that would find the best teachers in the nation or the world for that matter. The program should also hire the best programmers away from the computer game industry. The programmers and educators should then be tasked with creating educational computer programs that would augment the teachers in our school systems.
This would be expensive but in the long run the payback to America in terms of increased productivity (and increased tax income) would more than repay the cost.
Obviously this would require the "Best of the Best" from both fields. Think of a Manhattan Project scope of program for educational software.
I like your style but disagree with your substance on the evidence to date. Heinlein is usually a very worthwhile read though he is often wrong on some morals and religion while being very right on a number of other things. Arnold is NO Heinlein.
I agree that Arnold is no Heinlein but who is? ( I never dreamed that I might need to learn to spell Swarz.)
If there were no public skewels, there would be no taxpayer-funded forum for proselytizing the children of others. If you and I will not agree on how my children and yours should be commonly taught with public money, it does not become easier when we include everyone else's kids and opinions. The answer is a strict wall of separation between school and state, is it not?
Not necessarily, there will always be different opinons but people should always have the option of placing there children in a private school or to provide private tutoring off school grounds and outside of school hours.
As to your last paragraph, don't you think Heinlein would agree that whether I provide my chikldren with "birth conrol options" or opportunity for "abortions" both against my Catholic Faith is my business, my wife's business and none of yours, just as I have no business taking over the raising of any kids of yours?
In general yes, with the exceptions that I stated earlier. Remember you don't own your children. You can and should give them guidance and instruction but in the end their life is their own.
Do you have children? (none of my business or anyone else's here if you do. I ask only that you reflect on your situation) For some people, but not all, having children does change their minds on moral matters.
Yes I do. Three grown children. The youngest is 19 and the oldest is 32. All three are happy productive adults.
The oldest is a mother of two, an attorney, is becoming involved in politics and she is Catholic.
The middle boy is 22 has his MS in Mathmatics and is working on his PHD in Physics. He is unmarried and hasn't expressed a religous affiliation. Hopefully someday before I pass on he will develop a warp drive.
The youngest boy is 19 and is a Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer. He works with me designing Automation Systems and Computer Networks. He is an Agnostic.
They are all extremely proficent with firearms and expert poker players. I am very proud of them all.
I raised all of them the way that I have described. All of the children had birth control, disease prevention methods, and the results of abortions and unplanned pregnancys explained to them at the age of eleven. All were provided condoms. My daughter asked her doctor to prescribe birth control pills for her at the age of thirteen. Her first child was born when my daughter was twenty-eight. None of the children ever had a STD or any unplanned pregnancys nor pregnant girl friends. I presume that some or all of them had sex while they were teenagers but I may be incorrect.
I tried to provide the children with the resources and exposure to various religons when they were young but the choice of religon was left to them.
I cannot perceive any change in my morals since I was a child.
My kids, like all kids, are fully free to decide (once they are self-supporting and of age) what they believe. How could it be otherwise? One can cage the body but not the mind.
A Manhattan Project for software for public schools???? Aren't we making enough leftist millionares already via that system?
While it is true that I am free to home school, or privately school my kids at my expense (Thank you, old SCOTUS for the 1927 decsion of Pierce vs. The Society of Sisters, the Magna Carta of freedom from mandatory government indoctrination of children), Jefferson observed that taking money from a citizen to promote ideas which he hates is a very high form of tyranny and one which Heinlein likely would have resisted with Jefferson.
Government institutions ought to be majoritarian at the very least. Despite the statistics in your family or mine, the Roman Catholic Church is the largest in the US with 28% of the population (not counting "illegal" Mexicans). Southern Baptist Convention is next with 15%. Their social issue views are remarkably similar to Cathlic views. I don't know the numbers but the Missouri and Wisconsin synods of the Lutheran Church are in agreement on those issues and significant in number. Evangelical Christians, many Pentecostal Christians, Orthodox Jews, Westminster Presbyterians, "Good News" Methodists, many Episcopalians who rebel against the enrenched money power of leftists in their church, Mormons, many Muslims, even some atheists, agnostics and libertarians. The list goes on and on but we are farmed for ideas we despise.
I want no government money for private or parochial schools lest inevitable strings be attached. I don't want government schools to be paid out of taxes either. there should be a level playing field.
The problem with your logic is that all of us have different ideas about most things. You will never find any school or teacher who matchs your ideas completely. Although you may be capable of succesfully home-schooling your children or paying for a private school or tutor most people aren't. If we were all to decide to quit paying for public schools America would cease to exist within a single generation.
Don't interpret that statement to mean that home-schooling shouldn't be legal. My youngest son was home-schooled, not because of any religous concerns, because of educational concerns. We were living in Florida and the school system there is horrible. The citizens of Florida have cut the funding for the schools to the point that it was pointless for him to waste three years of his life just to jump through their hoops. Home-schooling should be the option of last resort not the first.
My kids, like all kids, are fully free to decide (once they are self-supporting and of age) what they believe. How could it be otherwise? One can cage the body but not the mind.
I agree but that doesn't mean you have the right to assign them and their children to a life of poverty (and subsistence on the public dole) if they err and become pregnant.
A Manhattan Project for software for public schools???? Aren't we making enough leftist millionares already via that system?
This isn't about making anyone a millionaire, this is about finding a way to provide our children with an optimal education. The best game programmers are already becoming millionaires, we won't be able to hire them cheaply.
While it is true that I am free to home school, or privately school my kids at my expense (Thank you, old SCOTUS for the 1927 decsion of Pierce vs. The Society of Sisters, the Magna Carta of freedom from mandatory government indoctrination of children), Jefferson observed that taking money from a citizen to promote ideas which he hates is a very high form of tyranny and one which Heinlein likely would have resisted with Jefferson.
Heinlein was a very strong advocate of getting an education. I know of no instances where he spoke out against a public school system.
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Government institutions ought to be majoritarian at the very least. Despite the statistics in your family or mine, the Roman Catholic Church is the largest in the US with 28% of the population (not counting "illegal" Mexicans). Southern Baptist Convention is next with 15%. Their social issue views are remarkably similar to Cathlic views. I don't know the numbers but the Missouri and Wisconsin synods of the Lutheran Church are in agreement on those issues and significant in number. Evangelical Christians, many Pentecostal Christians, Orthodox Jews, Westminster Presbyterians, "Good News" Methodists, many Episcopalians who rebel against the enrenched money power of leftists in their church, Mormons, many Muslims, even some atheists, agnostics and libertarians. The list goes on and on but we are farmed for ideas we despise.
America is a Republic for very good reasons. It insures that the mass of the majority cannot lead to a pure Democracy. Without that insight by our Founding Fathers the American Experiment would have ended in a Dictatorship long ago. This has been discussed in depth on this Forum many many times.
I want no government money for private or parochial schools lest inevitable strings be attached. I don't want government schools to be paid out of taxes either. there should be a level playing field.
It sounds good in theory but in practice 90% of the children would never receive an education of any kind and America would collapse within a generation. There are certain obligations that we all share as the inheritors of this great country. Secondary to providing a national defense, insuring that those who follow us have the opportunity for an education is the most important obligation of all.
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