The Scott Hahn Conversion Story

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[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Oops! I may need to switch to Greek now that I have been spotted.

I think the answer to the Jesuit question would be something like: "More than one might think. Or more than any liberal secular humanist could ever count. Not all would admit that they still say Mass in Latin. And, of course, we could never be sure who they all are or where they are..." [wink]

I would imagine even John McLaughlin and Jerry Brown still remember a little Latin.

[HarleyD]

My understanding on the Eucharist from which I've just finished reviewing was that there were some differences of opinions even in the very early church. Augustine viewed it symbolically while others had other opinions.

I'm pinging my GRPL friends who may be able to shed more light on this.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

The absurdly farcical bit about monstrous creatures having "the head of a lizard and the body of a Helvetian" is from "Write Your Own Latin B-Movie Script" in Lingua Latina Multo Pluribus Occasionibus by Henricus Barbatus (Henry Beard).

[agrace]

I'm sorry, did I offend you somehow? I certainly didn't mean to. I thought I was responding thoughtfully as well as expressing appreciation for the article.

From Douay-Rheims online -

16 All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work.

Looks the same to me, with the use of the words "perfect" and "every."

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Did you study Latin in college or high school? Or....at a seminary?

[franky]

There are many Catholic bashing sites on the Internet and I have been on many of them. I have been apologetic for the Church because of mis-informed opinions. In the majority of anti-Catholic treads, I have quoted Scott Hahn's statements and I have yet to read a response to what Mr. Hahn presents. It seems to leave the respondent at a loss for answers.

Too many anti-apologests live by the one verse answers syndrome. All they have to do is read before and after these verses to put the whole text in perspective.

Regarding a female satan Gibson has said that satan comes as somewhat of an attractive tempress. My own opinion is that Gibson and Caviezel are both dedicated to the Blessed Mother. You will notice satan and Mary dressed similarly.

The scene with the baby is text book for Madonna and Child depicted by Raphael.

And less we forget, Luther and Calvin did not walk away form the Church, They were excommunicated.

Luther thought so highly of the Catholic faith, he continued using the Catholic Bible. He said it was the truth so let us keep it.

[Eisenhower]

I recently came home to the Church after growing up in a Protestant background similar to Hahn's. His story (and his wife's) were truly inspirational as I was going through the process. I definitely feel that God showed me their stories, as well as many others, to comfort me and make me stronger in my decision. Thanks for the post, I always love reading his story.

[siunevada]

I'm pinging my GRPL friends who may be able to shed more light on this.

Somehow, I don't think we'll get this wrapped up any time soon.

After my prior post, I read an article by Fr. George Rutler that had this little gem in it:

The rising starlet Hans Küng told the cosmic meteor Cuthbert that Vatican II had ushered in a new regard for Scriptures that would heal the Protestant wounds. The dean replied as if casually flicking dandruff, “Good luck to you! We Protestants have been arguing for 400 years as to what are the agreed results of the Holy Ghost.”

Cuthbert Aikman Simpson (Christ Church college in Oxford, where Simpson was the Very Reverend dean from 1959 to 1969.)

Love it!

[Bellarmine]

The New Oxford Review was the source for the criticism of Hahn's views on the Holy Spirit. To read what they have to say here is the web address:

http://newoxfordreview.org/2002/sep02/newoxfordnotes.html

[HarleyD]

My information did not come from a Catholic "bashing" site. My reference came from a Catholic site by a Catholic. If you favor Scott Hahn position over Bob Sungenis that’s OK. As I said in post #14 there apparently are two sets of opinions here. It’s difficult to know which is true.

I know the Catholics are very sensitive. I research EVERYTHING and when I disagree with a Catholic post I try to use either a Catholic or a neutral source. Even with a neutral source many of our Catholic friends here still consider it Catholic “bashing”. This is the first time I used a Catholic source and had this reaction.

Yes, Luther and Calvin might have been excommunicated but I'm sure they were aware of it. But I don't see the point.

There are probably just as many Protestant “bashing” sites as there are Catholics. Occasionally articles like this are posted “bashing” Luther or Calvin or someone else. Generally, its by someone who has “seen the light” and join “the true church” because of blah, blah, blah. And from Post #2 it does seem to confirm the purpose of this testimony. I personally think this is a good thing and is how we grow by challenging each other. (I spent weeks researching various positions on the Eucharist.)

There are a number of people who join the Catholic church while there are probably just as many who leave to join a Protestant denomination. I don’t have the statistics in front of me. I’m sure I could find a testimony by a Protestant who converted from Catholicism and how wrong the Catholics are.

It APPEARS based upon a Catholic source and verified by non-Catholic sources, that Dr. Scott Hahn seems to be a “flake”. Whether this is true or not I don’t know. What’s disappointing is that Catholics seem to wily nily jump on this as some Protestant who saw the light rather than looking at this person with a more critical eye. Judging from some of the comments posted here that appears to be the case.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Dr. Scott Hahn seems to be a “flake”.

Harley, I wouldn't say Scott Hahn is a flake but he is strongly post VII Catholic. His theology is very much in line with the current Pope and Magisterium's thinking.

I haven't waded into this feminine Holy Spirit discussion because I just don't feel up to it today, but given several Scriptural sources on the nature of Wisdom (Sirach, Wisdom) and the writings of mystics, I can fully understand why Scott and others would make a statement such as this. Again, I haven't read the pro or con articles in detail yet.

[Piers-the-Ploughman]

thank you for the 2 Tim 3:16-17

[GirlShortstop]

His theology is very much in line with the current Pope and Magisterium's thinking.

And that is why Scott Hahn is a Catholic.  To state whether, or where his Catholicism had its beginnings in relation to Vatican II is unnecessary.

[GirlShortstop]

thank you for the 2 Tim 3:16-17

LOL   Piers, is that all it takes, just TWO VERSES (nothing before, nothing after), and *snap*!, it's all figured out?   ;-)

Wonder if there are any schematics that can be used that?  Ya know, you only need one little section of the drawing, and Voilá! you've built yourself a ham radio!   FReegards.

[GirlShortstop]

oops:  Wonder if there are any schematics that can be used like that?

[HarleyD]

Hmmm...Thanks for taking the time to look this up.

I would agree it doesn't sound like he feels the Holy Spirit is a female. However, it sounds like he doesn't believe the Holy Spirit is a person but rather "love". It's rather puzzling.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

And for you to harass traditionalists with your holier than thou decrees from thread to thread is unnecessary. Leave me alone. I don't care what your little judgemental mind thinks.