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Lay sermons permitted, Vatican tells Swiss bishops
The Tablet ^ | 2/11/2005

Posted on 02/11/2005 1:08:52 PM PST by B Knotts

Lay sermons permitted, Vatican tells Swiss bishops. Proposals by Swiss bishops to allow lay theologians to give sermons and Protestants to receive Communion have met with the approval of the Curia in Rome, Bishop Amédée Grab, president of the Swiss bishops' conference, said this week.

The Swiss church is having to cope with a shortage of priests and in an effort to deal with the crisis its bishops' conference has come up with controversial plans to make greater use of the laity serving as pastoral assistants. The Swiss bishops' conference has now declared that the assistants (who hold university degrees in theology) are to be allowed to preach during Mass and baptise whenever a priest was not available. The bishops, who announced to journalists following their return from their ad limina visit to Rome that they have secured Curial backing for their plans, have also secured the necessary permission for the Protestant partner in a mixed marriage to receive the Eucharist in a Catholic Church. The general secretary of the Swiss bishops' conference, Agnell Rickenmann, said that the two declarations were partly a response to the shortage of priests in Switzerland, but also reflected the Swiss Church's "independence". He said: "In Switzerland we have a 30-year tradition of theologically trained lay people active in the Church."

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The head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, had told the Swiss bishops that in emergency cases lay theologians could hold a "brief sermon-like discourse" or a meditation based on the Mass for the day but that this should not be allowed to become the "general norm".

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TOPICS: Catholic
KEYWORDS: homilist; homily; laymen; sermon
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Huh? How is this compatible with canon law?
1 posted on 02/11/2005 1:08:55 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: B Knotts

I don't believe this!


2 posted on 02/11/2005 1:13:41 PM PST by dcnd9
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To: B Knotts

Bogus story...doesn't google.


3 posted on 02/11/2005 1:18:14 PM PST by dcnd9
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To: B Knotts

Communion in the hand, altar girls, and now this...


4 posted on 02/11/2005 1:26:39 PM PST by Bellarmine
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To: B Knotts; AlbionGirl; Campion; Agrarian; katnip; Canticle_of_Deborah; sitetest; Tantumergo; NYer; ..

The far more damaging action is the apparent, or perhaps I should say "alleged" approval by Rome of Open Communion. Of course, its Rome's Church and Rome can and will do what it wants, but if there was ever any hope or desire for a union with Orthodoxy in the near future, this will kill it.


5 posted on 02/11/2005 1:31:38 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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To: Kolokotronis

This story is bogus! Not true. Link doesn't work. Nothing in it 'Googles'


6 posted on 02/11/2005 1:34:05 PM PST by dcnd9
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To: dcnd9

It's not bogus. Go to the link. You may have to register.

That said, I do wonder if we are getting the whole story on this. I'd like to hear what Cdl. Ratzinger has to say.


7 posted on 02/11/2005 1:38:59 PM PST by B Knotts
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Huh? How is this compatible with canon law?

Looks like several others have the same question.

Accusations that the declarations were against canon law and contradicted last year's Vatican edict that only priests could give sermons, were quick to follow. Pro Ecclesia, a conservative Catholic group, said it looked very much as if, shortly before setting out for Rome, the Swiss bishops were determined to "present the Vatican with a fait accompli". It was also reported that Austrian and German bishops had berated the Swiss bishops at the annual liturgical conference (for bishops in German-speaking countries, including South Tyrol and Luxembourg) in Augsburg at the end of January for "pressing ahead of the world Church" on such matters.

8 posted on 02/11/2005 1:40:18 PM PST by siunevada
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To: B Knotts

Nothing 'googles' in your story....try it!


9 posted on 02/11/2005 1:40:25 PM PST by dcnd9
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To: dcnd9

This was only reported today, so Google probably hasn't pickted it up yet. And it's not "my" story. I saw it mentioned on Amy Welborn's blog (in the comments), and took a look.


10 posted on 02/11/2005 1:42:36 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: B Knotts

Still not buying it.


11 posted on 02/11/2005 1:45:37 PM PST by dcnd9
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To: dcnd9

The other thing is: this could be another Abp. Flynn situation. If you know what I mean...


12 posted on 02/11/2005 1:46:58 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: B Knotts

Explain?


13 posted on 02/11/2005 1:48:04 PM PST by dcnd9
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You're accusing posters of posting bogus stories because they don't "google"? Just because it doesn't "google" doesn't mean squat.

Why not follow the link and register instead of sticking your foot in your mouth.

14 posted on 02/11/2005 1:48:20 PM PST by AAABEST (Kyrie eleison - Christe eleison )
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To: AAABEST

Have you?


15 posted on 02/11/2005 1:48:55 PM PST by dcnd9
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To: dcnd9

That's fine with me...we report; you decide. :-)

I don't want this to be true any more than anyone else, but I won't just shut my eyes to it when I see it.

Better to sound the alarm right away, IMO.


16 posted on 02/11/2005 1:49:00 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: dcnd9

Abp. Flynn came back from his ad limina and announced that Cdl. Arinze had not given him any indication that there needed to be a "single policy" on giving Holy Communion to Rainbow Sashers.

Cdl. Arinze later indicated that he had not said anything resembling that.


17 posted on 02/11/2005 1:51:05 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: dcnd9
I don't have to. I know BK well enough to know that he doesn't post fake stories and that the story exists on the other end of the link behind the reg page.

You on the other hand I don't know from a hole in the wall.

18 posted on 02/11/2005 1:51:22 PM PST by AAABEST (Kyrie eleison - Christe eleison )
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To: B Knotts

Call you local C.C.

I did. Said this stuff in the story is not true.
Not on any Catholic site even the Vatican site.


19 posted on 02/11/2005 1:53:13 PM PST by dcnd9
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To: AAABEST

Thanks for the support! :-)

Honestly, I wasn't expecting that particular reaction.

I'm generally pretty tame around here.


20 posted on 02/11/2005 1:53:46 PM PST by B Knotts
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