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1 posted on 05/16/2005 11:09:50 AM PDT by Gamecock
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2 posted on 05/16/2005 11:12:00 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Nice" people aren't nailed onto crosses.)
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To: Gamecock

AKA "The Church-Of-What's-Happenin'-Now"


4 posted on 05/16/2005 11:24:24 AM PDT by NRA1995 (John Edwards: "Mah daddy worked in a MEEL")
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To: Gamecock

Another Chesterton quote, from the beginning of the same paragraph also fits:

Christianity is always out of fashion because it is always sane; and all fashions are mild insanities.


7 posted on 05/16/2005 11:29:08 AM PDT by siunevada
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To: Gamecock
"If just preaching the Word worked, people would be lining up at the door."

This quote is telling. I guess "people lining up at the door" is the highest goal of most contemporary pastors.

That the [evangelical] Christian church in America is "fad-driven" is true, for the most part. That the reason for this is that the general society is fad-driven is an indication of how worldly the contemporary church in America is. It's also an indication of how spiritually shallow most self-appointed Christian leaders are today that they need to rely upon the latest fad, or some "program-in-a-box" to fuel their "ministries."

The real truth is that we are living in a very dry period, spiritually, in the American church, and church leaders are trying everything to remedy this dryness....Everything, that is, except the living, dynamic reality of the presence of Jesus Christ in the life of the believer. To look at most of the contemporary evangelical church, one would have to conclude that Jesus Christ has gone into retirement.

On related themes, I recommend "On Christless Preaching," and "The Pop, the Fizz, the Purpose-Driven Biz."

8 posted on 05/16/2005 11:32:32 AM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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Let us pray that the tacky "Praise Bands" will die with the 50-70 yr. olds who think they can sing this really bad music. When the last baby boomer dies, I hope he will take "Shine, Jesus, Shine" with him.


15 posted on 05/16/2005 12:21:39 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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I am glad my RP church isn't part of this fad culture. We stick to the tried and true.

I am happy to report that I visited my home PCUSA church yesterday, and I was thoroughly impressed. They ditched their woman associate pastor. They have a new pastor that is thoroughly conservative and orthodox, plus Reformed.

His prayers yesterday were beautiful.


21 posted on 05/16/2005 2:53:10 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: Gamecock

I don't understand why some folks hate Rick Warren's book so much.


25 posted on 05/16/2005 3:09:55 PM PDT by k2blader ('Lost' ping list - Please FReepmail me if you want on/off. :-)
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To: Gamecock

PDL/PDC also borrows from Eastern Mysticism using contemplative prayer and forms of yoga.


39 posted on 05/16/2005 5:12:39 PM PDT by pro610 (Faith the size of a mustard seed can move mountains.Praise Jesus Christ!)
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To: Gamecock
G.K. Chesterton said

a devout Catholic - and has written some really neat things - amusing and serious

quite an artist as well

I'd encourage anyone to check him out

60 posted on 05/17/2005 8:46:44 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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The Gospel has and will not ever change but our society has and the way we reach them needs too.

I was reading a survey at www.lifeway.com the other day and it stated that as of 2003 more than half of the population of the US has had media influence (TV,Radio,internet,etc) over their entire life span and in just a few years 100% of the population will have had media influence thier whole lives.

How do we reach those people that are used to media influence and how it communicates to them?

In the days of old in Southern Baptist life (The late 50's and early 60's were the glory days of the SBC) it was "A million more in '54" (We made that goal) or in the 80's "Bold Mission Thrust"which was reaching every people group in the world with the gospel by 1990 (we didn't make that one)
The Church has the average attender for 3 hours a week: Sunday Am, Sunday Pm, and Wednesday night;that is all.Many will not even give that much. And notice I said attender.

How do we reach those for Christ that have a different way of taking in information and help them transform their sinful lives to a life striving for Holiness?


I am not for watering down any part of Gods Word but we need to reach all for Christ and do it well.

The question is How?


63 posted on 05/17/2005 9:01:19 AM PDT by Rightly Biased (Salvation is not a prayer and an experience its a life changing event <><)
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To: Gamecock

A very good article. Pretty much right on target.


64 posted on 05/17/2005 9:23:17 AM PDT by kjam22
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Everything Christian from worship to evangelism must be fresh, new, up-to-date, attuned, appealing, seeker- sensitive, audience-friendly, and relentlessly relevant... ."All new," "must-read; "the sequel that is more than equal” - the mentality is rampant and the effect is corrosive.7

I was just thinking about this this morning. When we abandoned the traditional mass, Latin for the Catholics, Olde English for the Episcopalians, we did it to become contemporary. Well, the mass we replaced that with is now at least 25-40 years old -- it aint contemporary any more. This means there must be an endless stream of missals and Books of Common Prayer and Hymnals, because it should have to be updated AT MOST every ten years. That ought to keep a few hundred theologians busy!

80 posted on 05/17/2005 12:22:39 PM PDT by johnb838 (Liberalism = Leninism.... Liberalism = Bolshevism)
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To: Gamecock

read later


116 posted on 05/17/2005 11:31:37 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (The radical secularization of America is happening)
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There are so many issues here. The attention span of todays human. People have been searching for the truth in the scriptures for years. How it applies and relates to them. Part of it has to do with the conflicting messages sometimes given in scripture. Other times, it has to do with the traditions of the varioius denominations that use a scripture here or there to advance thier theory of a Godly walk or salvation while assuring followers that those who don't embrace this may have salvation at risk.

Additionally, when the scriptures were recorded and for many of the first 1500 years after the death of Christ, there was no such thing as a middle class. Now there is. And the middle gets bounced between the "trust in God and everything will be ok" and "your prayer was answered, but maybe not to your desire, but God's plan." In todays modern man, who truly understands God's plan?

There is very liberal theology. There is very conservative theology. There are those who believe in the Marian aspect of faith, those who speak in tongues, those who handle snakes, those have communion every service while others only do so once or twice a year. There is salvation by expressing faith, salvation through baptism, baptism through sprinkling and dunking, once under or three times under. Again, is it any wonder that modern man who has seen amazing scientific advances has difficulty in understanding his role in the world, his understanding the role of God in science if He is involved and how it all applies.

In my top 30-40 metropolitan area, there are over 100 denominations in the yellow pages. That's over 100 variations of the truth.

Many will point to the culture of the day as the reason for the variations and the ever changing fad of the day. Yet, if todays technology existed 2000 years ago, it is likely the same would have occurred. Technology allowed for further investigation and mass communication of the latest fad books or theologies. And who really knows if someone has cracked the true meaning of something in the good book. Even discerning individuals have a hard time seperating the hay from the chaffe. Discerning folks during the flat world days would have stuck to that principle instead of allowing the novel idea that the world is round to go forward.

Many say that the Bible is not a fluid document, yet if it isn't then why has enlightenment taken place over the years. Why has the fault between the Catholic and Protestant groups been seen as an advance when it truly was based on a fluid interpretation of the scripture and the understanding of tradition.

119 posted on 05/18/2005 6:45:54 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: Gamecock
Check out this one -- "Evangelicals Model Ministries on Business".
136 posted on 05/18/2005 2:44:26 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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