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Orthodoxy and Creationism
Holy Trinity Orthodox Mission ^ | Fr. Deacon Andrey Kuraev

Posted on 09/30/2005 1:35:58 PM PDT by jb6

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1 posted on 09/30/2005 1:36:05 PM PDT by jb6
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To: jb6

Oh, you're gonna get it! You're gonna cause a commotion.

Good job!


2 posted on 09/30/2005 1:39:14 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican

For later.


3 posted on 09/30/2005 1:55:01 PM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (Rauschenberger 2006)
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To: jb6

"Worst footnotes ever."

4 posted on 09/30/2005 1:58:16 PM PDT by ZGuy
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Why not post a book next time? Who has time to read all of this?

One comment: The bible is the root of protestant creationist theory. Evolutionary theory is atheistic in its origins.

It seems in Russia, evolution has reached the "religion" status that it has in the United STates, where honest inquiry is not allowed, where no one dare question it lest they incur the wrath of the high priest gatekeepers of the faith, where atheism has become the de facto state religion of the United States government (just check the gupament schools' curriculum for proof), which is a clear violation of the 1st Amendment. Thank goodness Russia has some sense; but, then again, they have seen the results of mindless evolutionary theory - 50 million dead!

5 posted on 09/30/2005 2:14:37 PM PDT by SmartCitizen
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I dropped something on my foot yesterday. Is that evolutionary theories fault also?
6 posted on 09/30/2005 2:16:39 PM PDT by SolarisRocks
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To: SmartCitizen

If you don't have the time or attention span or if the words are to long, don't read it, no one is holding a gun to your head.


7 posted on 09/30/2005 2:21:31 PM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: jb6
A long read, but a good one. Bookmarked for further study.
8 posted on 09/30/2005 2:21:51 PM PDT by Antonello
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To: ZGuy

Those were in Russian but the ASCII script on FR only supports basic ASCII not the full range. Thus what you are seeing is the numeric values of those characters instead of the actual character.


9 posted on 09/30/2005 2:23:29 PM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: Antonello

You are most welcome.


10 posted on 09/30/2005 2:23:51 PM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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theology ping


11 posted on 09/30/2005 2:24:16 PM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

come and learn


12 posted on 09/30/2005 2:25:06 PM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: SolarisRocks
The origin of evolutionary theory is atheistic. And it says NOTHING of origins. You have to have life before it can evolve. Saying God made a cell and said "evolve" is hardly compatible with the Genesis account, which indicates that God made Adam from the red earth. Is that allegory? If it is, then what other parts of the bible are allegory and what criteria do you use to discern between the two? If Genesis is allegory, then Adam and Eve were not real, therefore, there is no original sin, and no need for a Savior, and no need for Jesus Christ. So, why do catholics go to confession again?

Jesus Himself said that Moses wrote of Him. Jesus quoted from most books of the Old Testament, including the Noah flood account. Any Christian who believes evolutionary theory has to deal with the words of Jesus Christ, who said: "In the beginning, God made them male and female." The beginning simply means the beginning with reference to time. Time did not exist before God created the universe and the physical laws.

13 posted on 09/30/2005 2:27:08 PM PDT by SmartCitizen
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Views and opinions of radical creationists can not be accepted because they use scientific data in an arbitrary and non-objective way, by which they produce fair objections from those who are professionally involved in science. There is a real danger here that a biologist, having read some arrogant creationist book, will apply the word "rubbish" to Christianity in general.

Yeah right. Tell that to the scores of Christian scientists who made almost all of science's biggest discoveries (Newton, Kepler, Maxwell, Lord Kelvin, etc. etc. etc.), and they did it somehow without believing in evolutionary theory. Quite a feat!

Evolutionary biologists and other atheistic scientists are the ones whose science cannot tbe trusted - they are not even brethren. The operate on a false premise - that God doesn't exist - philosphical atheism. They are anti-Christs (as is anyone who denies that Jesus is the Christ - see book of 1John).

14 posted on 09/30/2005 2:37:25 PM PDT by SmartCitizen
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Is God not allowed to use allegory? Christ used parables to teach, would His Father not have the same right to put the story of His creation into terms mortal man could grasp?

As for this being an issue to cause doubt for the literalness of other passages of the Bible, personal prayer for guidance and study of each part you may question seem to me to be a good first step in asking God for aid in understanding His Word.


15 posted on 09/30/2005 2:39:26 PM PDT by Antonello
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To: SmartCitizen

Most of them belonged to another church that accepts physical evolution also: Catholics or Lutherins.


16 posted on 09/30/2005 2:43:21 PM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: Antonello
Is God not allowed to use allegory? Christ used parables to teach, would His Father not have the same right to put the story of His creation into terms mortal man could grasp?

If Adam and Eve aren't real, then neither is sin. That simple. No way around it. So why is he death of God's Son necessary again?

17 posted on 09/30/2005 2:44:08 PM PDT by SmartCitizen
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To: jb6

Good piece, worth careful reading. This fits more or less my view of the matter, which is that creation is not yet complete and continues to this day... and that evolution and its various competing theories are arguments about tools in the tool bag. The Bible reveals to us that God did certain things; science attempts to figure out "how" he did it.

I have personally never seen any automatic conflict between the notion that God created the earth and the scientists' attempt to understand the mechanics and underlying principles of creation. My understanding, in fact, is that God commands us to try and learn the underlying principles.


18 posted on 09/30/2005 2:45:15 PM PDT by marron
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Most of them belonged to another church that accepts physical evolution also: Catholics or Lutherins.

Silly boy - many of them predate Darwin. Newton, Kepler, Copernicus, Galileo, and here are some other scientists who made big discoveries PRE-darwin: William Herschel (discoverred Uranus), John Flamsteed (map of the stars), Jean DeLuc (geology), James Parkinson (who named the disease), John Dalton (atomic theory), Ben Franklin (check out his speech at Const. convention), Robert Boyle (father of modern chemistry), Blaise Pascal (mathematician).

Now here some contemporary with Darwin who didn't buy his crappy theory: Lord Kelvin (has his own temperrature scale), James Maxwell (physics - kinetic theory of gases), John Ambrose Fleming (pioneered electronics), joseph Lister (antiseptic surgery), and Louis Pasteur (heard of him?). In addition, 717 scientists (including 86 members of the Royal Society) signed a manifesto called "The Declaration of Students of teh natural and Physical Sciences" in 1864 that affirmed their confidence in the bile's scientific integrity.

19 posted on 09/30/2005 2:53:15 PM PDT by SmartCitizen
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If Adam and Eve aren't real, then neither is sin. That simple. No way around it. So why is he death of God's Son necessary again?

Who says Adam and Eve weren't real? In your rush to criticize God for using a writing style you disapprove of, you overlook that He isn't limited by your logical confines. However He chose to create life, and with it man, He held absolute power to instill the soul of His children into the physical shells any way He wished. I know I am no one to tell Him He couldn't do it in any particular way.

20 posted on 09/30/2005 2:54:10 PM PDT by Antonello
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