Posted on 01/19/2006 12:33:10 PM PST by NYer
Some "light" reading.
They have all the trappings of a cult.
I hope he's keeping two eyes on the English translation of the Compendium of the Catechism. That has also been delayed a number of times as well.
Is it possible that even Benedict wasn't aware of how widespread the rot within the Church in Europe and America has become? I pray that he has surrounded himself with excellent people that he can count on. His elevation of Levada, however, still makes me very nervous.
They're a strange movement. They are what Americans would think of as rather "charismatic," in the sense of quasi-Pentecostalist, in many aspects, but fundamentally they had always seemed orthodox, except for their strange "Mass." But since Pope JPII seemed to permit or at least tolerate a consdirable amount of - er, leeway - in the celebration of Mass, they certainly weren't alone in that.
They are very big in Spain and had a big impact on the university population, and now have a nice full seminary in Madrid. However, they were often criticized for their emotionalism and cult-like features even several years ago, well before BXVI.
I think the real test of their orthodoxy and the spirit behind them is going to be in their response to the Pope's directive. Will they be obedient - or will they simply ignore the Pope and essentially challenge him to discipline them in some way, at which point they will leave?
"Apart from the slowness, it emerges that Benedict XVI was not pleased with some of the translations of the encyclical, which he himself had to correct. "
Man, I'll bet the translations into Japanese are *atrocious.* After all, who's going to check them?
The Pope has the legitimate authority to legislate on liturgical matters. If the NeoCatechumenate continues to defy the Holy See beyond the grace period granted they are just reinforcing the notion that they are some sort of separatist cult within the Church.
>> The Way, founded and directed by Kiko Argüello and Carmen Hernández, both Spanish, is today the most vigorous of the new Catholic movements that emerged during the last half century. It is present in 900 dioceses on all the inhabited continents, and boasts the strength of a million followers in over 20,000 communities <<
The most vigorous of new Catholic movements? Compared to the Charismatic, Cursillo, Opus Dei, etc., this is a pipsqueak.
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This seems seriously lacking in objectivity to me. Not to mention, disrespectful.
"The first of these, in chronological order – it was made public by “Corriere della Sera” and by the historian Alberto Melloni – points to cardinal Carlo Maria Martini as both the antagonist and the deus ex machina of Ratzinger’s election.... ...by a movement “with adequate liquidity” engaged in “a takeover bid for the papacy itself.” For this movement, read Opus Dei.
...“The Atlantic Monthly” (7) – builds upon the previous one by placing beside Martini, as the other prominent antagonist, Argentine cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio. The latter is said to have received as many as 40 votes: not enough to stop Ratzinger in his tracks, but enough to reduce considerably the scale of his success. And this success, in any case, is imagined to bear the infamous mark of the campaign on his behalf carried out by Opus Dei.
Both “Limes” and “O Globo” indicate a single cardinal as the source of their respective revelations. In reality, these emanate from a continuous chorus in many voices, both within the curia and outside of it, the only common denominator of which is an aversion for pope Ratzinger."
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What a load of crap. Who is the source? Dan Brown? It was one of the shortest conclaves in history. And now some (shhhh) secret Cardinal is damning himself forever by violating his oath just to tell a reporter "what really happened"??? Bull.
And did you ever hear Pope John Paul II referred to as "Pope Wojtyla"?
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LOL! Well said.
Yes, in Europe, JPII was referred to as Pope Wojtyla and B16 as Pope Ratzinger.
>> Man, I'll bet the translations into Japanese are *atrocious.* <<
Hmmm... I thought the translation of "Gott, Zie RA!" was suspicious...
>> Yes, in Europe, JPII was referred to as Pope Wojtyla and B16 as Pope Ratzinger. <<
Google, with international settings, shows 704 hits for "Pope Wojtyla," and 38,000 hits for "Pope Ratzinger."
OTOH, I looked up Chiesa, and they did refer to "pope Wojtyla."
Catholic Mormons? I wonder if they all like lime Jell-o.
While we were in Italy last year, it was disconcerting to hear John Paul referred to as Pope Wojtyla.
Why do they do that?
"Hmmm... I thought the translation of "Gott, Zie RA!" was suspicious..."
I last studied German in 1976.
God, you...RA?
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