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Vatican may have found late pope's 'miracle'
CNN ^ | January 30, 2006 | Philip Pullella

Posted on 01/30/2006 7:43:33 AM PST by NYer

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) -- The Vatican may have found the "miracle" they need to put the late Pope John Paul II one step closer to sainthood -- the medically inexplicable healing of a French nun with the same Parkinson's disease that afflicted him.

Monsignor Slawomir Oder, the Catholic Church official in charge of promoting the cause to declare the late pope a saint of the Church, told Reuters on Monday that an investigation into the healing had cleared an initial probe by doctors.

Oder said the "relatively young" nun, whom he said he could not identify for now, was inexplicably cured of Parkinson's after praying to John Paul after his death last April 2.

"I was moved," Oder said in a telephone interview. "To think that this was the same illness that destroyed the Holy Father and it also kept this poor nun from carrying out her work."

John Paul suffered from Parkinson's Disease during the last decade of his life. His body trembled violently and he could not pronounce his words or control his facial muscles.

"To me, this is another sign of God's creativity," he said, adding that the nun worked with children.

He said Church investigators would now start a more formal and detailed probe of the suspected miracle cure.

The process that could lead to sainthood for John Paul began in May when Rome archdiocese published an edict asking Catholics to come forward with evidence "in favor or against" John Paul's reputation of holiness.

One proven miracle is required after John Paul's death for the cause to lead to beatification.

It must be the result of prayers asking the dead pope to intercede with God. Miracles are usually a physical healing that doctors are at a loss to explain.

Another miracle would be necessary between beatification and eventual sainthood.

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To: Almondjoy; Salvation; Coleus; NYer; SoothingDave; cyborg; onyx; fortunecookie; ArrogantBustard; ...
Catholics do not understand God.

None of them?

You can stand in judgment of all of them?

That's a very bigoted thing to say. Tell us more.

141 posted on 01/30/2006 7:32:30 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Petronski; Almondjoy

ah petronski, you gotta know that almondjoy "feels like a nut" hence the name!; )


142 posted on 01/30/2006 7:34:10 PM PST by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy

Another day, another Catholic-hating newbie troll.


143 posted on 01/30/2006 7:35:38 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Petronski

i saw him earlier and felt better once i realized he was a selfproclaimed NUT.


144 posted on 01/30/2006 7:36:34 PM PST by xsmommy
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To: Rutles4Ever

"Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven."

That statement was addresed to the Apostles. The last of them died about 1900 years ago. It has no application to any person living today, Catholic or otherwise.


145 posted on 01/30/2006 7:37:54 PM PST by tenn2005 (Birth is merly an event; it is the path walked that becomes one's life.)
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To: marshmallow
Oder said the "relatively young" nun, whom he said he could not identify for now, was inexplicably cured of Parkinson's after praying to John Paul after his death last April 2.

It says she was healed after praying "to" the deceased pope not after asking him to pray for her.

146 posted on 01/30/2006 7:40:54 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: NYer

How would her healing, the miracle, be attributed to the pope if all he did was intercede? He didn't heal her. He just asked on her behalf. If I prayed for you and you were healed, would I be the one credited for the miracle?


147 posted on 01/30/2006 7:44:06 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: Petronski; Almondjoy


You sure can find 'em...lol.


148 posted on 01/30/2006 8:05:19 PM PST by onyx
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To: onyx

Find them? When the tide goes out, they're just laying there on the mud.


149 posted on 01/30/2006 8:27:13 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Petronski


Yeah...lol. I guess you're right!


150 posted on 01/30/2006 8:28:50 PM PST by onyx
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To: ksen

A nun knows how to pray. She would ask the deceased to turn to God and pray to Him for her. The reporter knows nothing. Since when do they get anything right.


151 posted on 01/30/2006 8:35:13 PM PST by tioga (Speaking out from the god-forsaken frozen tundra of the Hildebeast.)
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To: PleaseNoMore
How would her healing, the miracle, be attributed to the pope if all he did was intercede?

Because it was through his intercession that she was healed.

152 posted on 01/30/2006 8:37:29 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer

And how can you be so sure of this?


153 posted on 01/30/2006 8:41:38 PM PST by tenn2005 (Birth is merly an event; it is the path walked that becomes one's life.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
why the unseemly haste in the last few years to fine new Saints?

I don't believe the word 'haste' applies so much as 'expansion'. JPII canonized more saints during his pontificate than any other pope. All of these individuals had to pass through the same rigorous examination. He expanded the number to include those from more diverse backgrounds. St. Gianna - for mothers with difficult pregnancies, for example and St. Nimatullah Al Hardini, a Maronite monk, embraced by those in an Eastern Catholic Tradition.

From what I understand, Benedict XVI plans to slow down the number of canonizations.

154 posted on 01/30/2006 8:47:28 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: tenn2005; Mrs. Don-o
And how can you be so sure of this?

It is up to the commission to exhaustively study the medical records of that individual, not me. However consider that, as Mrs. Don-o pointed out in an earlier post, thousands of miracles have occured at Lourdes yet only 71 are documented. The process of ascribing a miracle is not flippant. It entails scrupulous examination of medical records.

155 posted on 01/30/2006 9:01:07 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer

It would be so fitting.


156 posted on 01/30/2006 9:01:56 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Rutles4Ever

Heaven is where God is, and God is everywhere. But if Peter could heal why not John Paul? It would be by the power of God.


157 posted on 01/30/2006 9:05:29 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: tenn2005; Rutles4Ever
That statement was addresed to the Apostles. The last of them died about 1900 years ago. It has no application to any person living today, Catholic or otherwise.

The office of "apostle" is to be continued (Acts 1:20-26) to the present day. 

158 posted on 01/30/2006 9:06:23 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer

The Mormans make the same claim and state that their boy is a present day apostle. Which of you is correct?


159 posted on 01/30/2006 9:08:52 PM PST by tenn2005 (Birth is merly an event; it is the path walked that becomes one's life.)
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To: pepperhead; bornacatholic
Thanks for trying but where did Jesus ever mention "saints"?

"And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four [and] twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints." - Revelations 5:8

Below is a prayer to St. Joseph that dates back to 50 A.D. - long before the last Apostle had died and less than 20 years after the death of Christ.  If the early Christians asked the "dead" foster father of Christ to intercede for them and it was "wrong," why is there no "documentation" from the Twelve Apostles "reprimanding" them for this?  Surely, the Apostles would have corrected the early Church had It been in err?

PRAYER TO ST. JOSEPH (50 A.D.)

O St. Joseph whose protection is so great, so strong, so prompt before the Throne of God, I place in you all my interests and desires.

O St. Joseph do assist me by your powerful intercession and obtain for me from your Divine Son all spiritual blessings through Jesus Christ, Our Lord; so that having engaged here below your Heavenly power I may offer my Thanksgiving and Homage to the most Loving of Fathers.

O St. Joseph I never weary contemplating you and Jesus asleep in your arms. I dare not approach while He reposes near your heart. Press him in my name and kiss His fine Head for me, and ask Him to return the Kiss when I draw my dying breath.

St. Joseph, Patron of departing souls, pray for us. Amen.


160 posted on 01/30/2006 9:14:07 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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