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To: Zuriel

I am glad that you enjoy discussing the trinity. I am not Catholic and agree with very little that they teach. However, in the matter of the trinity I believe that they may be correct.

Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning God..." The word used here for God is Elohim. The word is plural. In Genesis 1:26 God said, "let us (pl) make man in our (pl) image." The message here us clearly that God is a more than one.

In Matthew 28:19 Jesus commands the apostles to baptise in the name of "The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. All of these references indicate that God is a triumvirate.


12 posted on 03/20/2006 9:40:26 PM PST by tenn2005 (Birth is merely an event; it is the path walked that becomes one's life.)
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To: tenn2005

**Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning God..." The word used here for God is Elohim. The word is plural.**

Plural, as in infinite? After all, God cannot be measured.

**In Genesis 1:26 God said, "let us (pl) make man in our (pl) image." The message here us clearly that God is a more than one.**

Yes, "our" is plural. As in dual nature: Almighty Spirit of God (the Father), and foreordained plan of having a fleshly body, or "image" (not images) complete with a soul (the Son).

"God, who....calleth those things which be not as though they were." Rom. 4:17

"Having made known unto us the mystery of HIS will, according to HIS good pleasure which HE hath purposed in HIMSELF: That in the dispensation of the fulness of times HE might gather together in one ALL things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him" (the Father is in the Son). "In whom also we" (the church) "have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated" (the church) "according to the purpose of HIM who worketh ALL things after the counsel of HIS own will." Eph. 1:9-11

Foreordained, for He said, "Thou art my Son, this day have I BEGOTTEN thee". Ps 2:7. "but when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, MADE of a woman, MADE under the law." Gal. 4:4

'Eternal' and 'begotten' are practically opposite in definition.

It's simple: The Father is Spirit (John 4:23,24) and the Son is fleshly man (doing what 'the Father in him' shows him to do. John 5:19-27 and 14:9-13)

**In Matthew 28:19 Jesus commands the apostles to baptise in the name of "The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.**

Note: "name" is singular.

And what did the apostles do? They didn't simply repeat a command, they obeyed it. When my boss tells me to use his authority to tell a new client what we will/can do for them, I don't say, "My boss has asked me to tell you....", without first making sure they know his name.

Jesus said: "I am come in my Father's name.." John 5:43
Jesus is the name of the Son. "..and thou shalt call his name Jesus.." Matt. 1:21
Jesus said: "..the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name.." John 14:26

Acts 4:12 "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

That is why when the apostles OBEYED Matt. 28:19, they baptized in the name of Jesus: Acts 2:38; 8:12,16; 19:5; baptized in the name of the Lord (obviously, that is Jesus) Acts 10:48
We are to be buried with HIM in baptism. Rom. 6:4; Col. 2:12

Some my say, "It doesn't say they used the name Jesus in every instance of baptism recorded in Acts." True, some passages just say 'baptized' with no name mentioned. Isn't it strange that there is no repeating of Matt. 28:19 in baptism in all of the remainder of the NT? Not to me.

Suppose you moved to a different town to find a new life. How many times would you need to be told word by word, step by step, how to get to a new job/grocery store/church house? Once, twice, thrice? (I know, I know, there's times I wish I could forget how to get to the workplace).

That's why, when one gets finnished reading Acts, baptism in the name of Jesus should be the obvious answer to Matt. 28:19. Of course, that is the case when one is not shackled to centuries of religious tradition that has refused to adhere to the Word, either ignorantly or knowingly (they gotta keep the money coming in, even if it requires 'changes' in the apostles doctrine, ya know) . The Devil knows the power of Jesus name, and within hours of that birthday of the church, set into motion counterfiets (that would appear religious, even 'Christian', but not have the power of the name).


Sorry about the length. I said I like to discuss the Godhead, and it shows, I suppose.


21 posted on 03/21/2006 10:58:06 AM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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