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Why Noah's Flood was Local

Posted on 05/29/2006 6:28:25 AM PDT by truthfinder9

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To: xzins; blue-duncan
I heard he was absolutely brilliant, devastatingly handsome, uproariously funny, and stunningly good looking.

LOL!!!

Got any more?

181 posted on 06/01/2006 6:13:58 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: P-Marlowe; xzins; Alamo-Girl; 1000 silverlings; Buggman; blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg

Ever notice that the second day is the only day on which God didn't see anything good? So not only did He want to set up the pattern of the Sabbath, but He also wanted us to know that even the Almighty hates Mondays. ;^)


182 posted on 06/01/2006 6:27:20 PM PDT by Buggman (L'chaim b'Yeshua HaMashiach!)
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To: 1000 silverlings; blue-duncan

Ok, I get it.


183 posted on 06/01/2006 6:43:52 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; xzins; Alamo-Girl; P-Marlowe; Dr. Eckleburg

"Oh, in addition to the eight human beings in the Ark there was a ninth survivor, who clung to the outside and was fed by Noah through an aperture of some kind after he swore an oath to serve Noah's descendants. This was King `Og,"


Do you do any writing for "24"?


184 posted on 06/01/2006 6:49:02 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan; xzins; Zionist Conspirator; Alamo-Girl; P-Marlowe; Dr. Eckleburg
Shamelessly stolen from the Internet.
185 posted on 06/01/2006 7:42:49 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: P-Marlowe; xzins; Alamo-Girl; Dr. Eckleburg; 1000 silverlings

"Shamelessly stolen from the Internet.,"

Baloney! You stole them from the Retired Army Chaplain's Joke Book(KJV).


186 posted on 06/01/2006 8:01:39 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan; P-Marlowe
Retired Army Chaplain's Joke Book(KJV).

Any other version is a perversion.

187 posted on 06/01/2006 8:15:30 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: P-Marlowe; blue-duncan

The Ultimate Differential Theory of US Armed Forces (Snake Model)


Upon encountering a snake in the Area of Operations (AO)


Airborne: Lands on and kills the snake.

Air Force, O-6 and above: "Get that damned snake off the fairway!"

Armor: Runs over snake. Never knows it,as well as where he is on the battlefield. Continues directly ahead wondering what all those new buttons in his turret do.

Army Aviation: Has GPS ten digit grid to snake. Stands off at a range greater than any other weapon system and destroys snake with precision fires at a cost equivilant of one Mercedes 350SEL. Returns to base for fighter management and a "cool one".

Army Shrink. Attempts to get snake to explain its sexual feelings about its mother.

Chaplain. Tries to get snake to attend services, mend its ways.

Combat Controllers: Guides snake elsewhere.

Combat Engineer: Studies snake. Prepares in depth analysis based on obscure 5 series FM about how to defeat snake using counter mobility assets. Complains that maneuver forces don't understand how to properly conduct doctrinal counter-snake operations. (Engineer School tries to hide the fact that M9 ACE proves ineffective against snakes).

Field Artillery: Kills snake with massive Time On Target barrage with three Forward Artillery Brigades in support. Kills several hundred civilians as unavoidable collateral damage. Mission is considered a success and all participants (i.e., cooks, mechanics and clerks) are awarded Silver Stars.

Infantry: Snake smells them, leaves area.

Military Intelligence, G-2: Sanke? What snake? Only four of 35 indicators of snake activity are currently active. We assess the potential for snake activity as LOW.

Judge Advocate General (JAG): Snake declines to bite, citing professional courtesy.

Marines, ForceRecon: Follows snake, gets lost.

Marines, Infantry: Kills snake by accident while looking for souvenirs. Local civilians demand removal of all US forces from Area of Operations.

Mech Infantry: Runs over snake, laughs, and looks for more snakes.

Military Intelligence, S-2: Reports to ground troops that snake is a non-combatant. Six Infantry wounded. MI states that if the ground forces would have read the nesting diagram provided in the 24 page enemy intel report, they would have known the snake was a possible threat.

Military Police, Criminal Investigation: Handcuffs snake's head to its tail, reads it its Miranda rights, then proceeds to beat snake to a pulp with night stick.

Missileers, Air Force: Lays in target coordinates to snake in 20 seconds, but can't receive authorization from National Command Authority to use nuclear weapons.

Military Police, Field: Snake safely infiltrates rear area of operations.

Navy SeaBees: Build snake elaborate rec room, complete with secret still.

Navy, SEAL: Expends all ammunition and several grenades, then calls for naval gunfire in failed attempt to kill snake. Snake bites the SEAL, and dies of salt water poisoning. Hollywood makes film in which SEALS kill Muslim extremist snakes.

Navy, Surface Action Group: Fires off 50 cruise missiles fro several ships, kills snake and makes presentation to Senate Appropriations Committee on how Naval forces are the most cost-effective means of anti-snake force projection.

Ordnance: IDs snake as having improper scales. Deadline snake and order parts against snake. Parts come in 15 days later but the snake has been upgraded to FMC due to scrounging of parts through improper channels.

Para-Rescue: Lands on snake upon descending, thereby injuring it, then feverishly works to save the nake's life.

Pilot, A-10: Has Global Positioning Satellite coordinates to snake. Can't find snake. Returns to base for refuel, crew rest and manicure.

Pilot, Air Force, B-52: Pulls ARCLIGHT mission on snake, kills snake and every other living thing within two miles of target.

Pilot, Air Force, F-15: Misidentifies snake as enemy Mil-24 Hind helicopter and engages with missiles. Crew chief paints snake kill on aircraft.

Pilot, Air Force, F-16: Finds snake, drops two CBU-87 cluster bombs, and misses snake target, but gets direct hit on Embassy 100 KM East of snake due to weather (Too Hot also Too Cold, Was Clear but too overcast, Too dry with Rain, Unlimited ceiling with low cloud cover etc.) Claims that purchasing multimillion dollar, high-tech snake-killing device will enable it in the future to kill all snakes and achieve a revolution in military affairs.

Pilot, Air Force, Fighter, Generic: Mis-identifies the snake as a HIND and engages it with missiles. Crew Chief paints snake on airplane.

Pilot, Air Force, Transport: Receives call for anti-snake equipment, and delivers two weeks after due date.

Pilot, Army, AH-64 Apache: Unable to locate snake, snakes don't show well on infrared. Infrared only operable in desert AO's without power lines or SAM's.

Pilot, Army, HH-53 Jolly Green Giant: Finds snake on fourth pass after snake builds bonfire, pops smoke, lays out flares to mark Landing Zone. Rotor wash blows snake into fire.

Quartermaster: Encounters snake, then loses contact. Can not identify who owns snake by hand receipts. Orders new snake through supply channels. Request is denied by higher authority; issuing the unit a snake will bring the manager to a zero balance; one snake must remain on hand at all times as per their boss' guidance.

Ranger: Plays with snake, then eats it.

Signal, Enlisted: Tries to communicate with snake . . . fails despite repeated attempts. Complains that the snake did not have the correct fill or did not know how to work equipment a child could operate.

Signal, Officer: Informs the commander that he could easily communicate with the snake using just his voice. Commander insists that he NEEDS to videoconference with the snake, with real-time streaming positional and logistical data on the snake displayed on video screens to either side. Gives Signal Corps $5 Billion to make this happen. SigO abuses the 2 smart people in the corps to make it happen, while everybody else stands around, bitches, and takes credit. In the end, GTE and several sub-contractors make a few billion dollars, the two smart people get out and go to work for them, and the commander gets what he asked for only in fiber-optic based simulations. The snake dies of old age.

SJA: Swear they saw something like that on the Discovery Channel . . . spend weeks arguing if it was a snake or not.

Special Forces: Makes contact with snake, ignores all State Department directives and Theater Commander Rules of Engagement by building rapport with snake and winning its heart and mind. Trains it to kill other snakes. Files enormous travel settlement upon return.

Supply: (NOTICE: Your anti-snake equipment is on backorder.)

Transportation Corps: "Snake? What snake? We were sleeping in the truck."

War Correspondent. Decides snake is patriotic nationalist agrarian reformer being molested by imperialist U.S. forces, asks snake for directions to nearest bar. If bitten by snake, charges U.S. troops with neglect of duty to protect freedom of the press.


188 posted on 06/01/2006 8:15:44 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: truthfinder9; xzins; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; Buggman; 1000 silverlings; betty boop
Thanks for the book suggestion and for your reply! And thanks to all of you for your wonderful posts, insights, humor and pings!

You just restated what I said in a different way. The llth dimension, or 2nd time dimension, can be used for another being (outside of all time lines) to interact with mankind.

M-theory (eleven dimensions) does not have a second temporal dimension. F-theory does and is twelve dimensions: Evidence for F theory

Again, God is not “in” any geometric dimensionality – neither spatial nor temporal. He is timeless, spaceless. That is the entire point of “in the beginning”. For more on beginnings: Time before Time

And for a higher dimensionality approach with two temporal dimensions: five dimensional relativity, two times

And for Freeper comments related to subject of geometry vis-à-vis matter: Mysteries of Mass

That's not exactly what I meant. God didn't make our time his time in Gen 1:2, he entered our time to interact with our world. That doesn't mean he was bound by our time, but it did signify a shift in the point of view that the author was writing from.

To the contrary, I perceive God as the author of Scripture.

It is illogical (and unnecessary) that the Father would “enter” His creation before He created it. The Son, however, was in the beginning (John 1) – everything (both the spiritual and physical creation) was made by Him and for Him.

Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence. For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven. – Col 1:12-20

I’m glad to see that you are promoting the view I hold – that the Father’s revelation in Jesus Christ, in the Holy Spirit, in Scripture and in Creation agree.

But perhaps our approach is different?

Whenever there seems to be a conflict between Scripture and Creation, my presumption is that the failing is my own and not the indwelling Spirit, Scripture or Creation. (Romans 1:20-21, Psalms 19)

So I pray for understanding. The Holy Spirit is the only leader I trust (Romans 8, I Cor 2, John 15-17). I eschew all the doctrines and traditions of men whether Calvin, Arminius, the Pope, Billy Graham, Joseph Smith, etc. And He never fails me. As my eyes pass over the words, He brings the Scriptures alive within.

And concerning Creation, I also pray to know everything that He wants me to know but no more - then I research the science, math and so forth.

IMHO, it always comes down to our worldview on two points: (1) how we know what we know and how sure we are that we know it, and (2) our concept of “all that there is”.

On the first, I value above - and am more certain of - Spiritual knowledge than all other types of knowledge – whether sensory perception, logic or whatever. Freeper Investigation on the subject.

Thus there is never a conflict – the Spirit brings the Word alive through His indwelling. I accept His confirmation of them, including all the miracles, without hesitation or reservation.

On the second, I am a philosophical Realist (as compared to a Nominalist). To a realist, a tree falling in the forest makes a sound even if no one is around to hear it; universals such as threeness, redness, etc. exist.

For me, that which can be observed by microscope to telescope, matter in all its motions, etc. is but a subset of “all that there is”. Geometry exists and the mathematician comes along and discovers it

Likewise there are numerous non-spatial, non-temporal, non-corporeal existents – such as spirit, geometry, consciousness, qualia (likes, dislikes, pain, pleasure, etc.) – which are manifest “in” space/time geometry (regardless of dimensions) even when they also exist “beyond” all space/time geometry (in timelessness, spacelessness).

IOW, I am consciouslessly aware that I exist in timelessness even while yet in the flesh:

For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. - Colossians 3:3

Therefore I am already assured that when my spirit weighs anchor from this body, I am already home in the Lord.

In sum, “all that there is” includes not only the spiritual and physical Creation but more importantly, God.

As for the theories such as Schroeder's, there is one fatal flaw. He forgets that regardless of what occured after the big bang instant, everything in the universe experienced the same time. It could very well by different relative to something outside the universe, but that is meaningless. More simply, everything in the universe was on the same "ride" so regardless of accleration changes, etc., a hypothetical person on the ride woudln't notice any time changes. This is just like an astronaut in orbit, who's clock actually slows down a miniscule fraction of a second, but he would never know unless he compares it to a precise clock on Earth.

Again, you are accepting only a three spatial dimension universe evolving over time (time as a line). Relativity (and time as a plane) - does not apply to that worldview – it is based on a space/time continuum.
189 posted on 06/01/2006 10:42:35 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
I forgot to mention my definition for "reality":

Reality is God's will and unknowable in its fullness.


191 posted on 06/01/2006 11:09:45 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: RobbyS
There is material evidence for a universal flood.

Cite?

192 posted on 06/01/2006 11:14:23 PM PDT by stands2reason (You cannot bully or insult conservatives into supporting your guy.)
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To: teee33

Ya ever heard of sexual immorality? It's mentioned quite a bit in the Bible.

Homosexuality falls under that definition.


193 posted on 06/01/2006 11:17:19 PM PDT by stands2reason (You cannot bully or insult conservatives into supporting your guy.)
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To: John Locke


Here's another theory: floods happen worldwide.


194 posted on 06/01/2006 11:22:21 PM PDT by stands2reason (You cannot bully or insult conservatives into supporting your guy.)
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To: ScubieNuc

Maybe because they don't understand why God would hide the evidence of a global flood.


195 posted on 06/01/2006 11:26:11 PM PDT by stands2reason (You cannot bully or insult conservatives into supporting your guy.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

I think he's trying to spam (ahem) I mean say that being a homo is alright with Jesus.


196 posted on 06/01/2006 11:29:07 PM PDT by stands2reason (You cannot bully or insult conservatives into supporting your guy.)
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To: truthfinder9

Can't believe nobody has mentioned Bob Ballard's "local flood" theory! I like his take:
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/blacksea/ax/frame.html


197 posted on 06/02/2006 12:09:52 AM PDT by Drago
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To: P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; xzins; Zionist Conspirator; Alamo-Girl; Dr. Eckleburg; Alex Murphy

God's bumper sticker:

"Flood Globally, Ark Locally."


198 posted on 06/02/2006 2:12:05 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: stands2reason; ScubieNuc; xzins; blue-duncan; Buggman
Maybe because they don't understand why God would hide the evidence of a global flood.

There is a difference between hiding something and leaving no evidence of it. Fod expects us to accept his miracles on faith. Faith is the evidence of things unseen. So if you see something, you don't need to exercise faith.

We have Moses' testimony that the flood covered all the earth and killed all flesh. We have Jesus testimony that what Moses wrote was true.

Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? (John 5:45-47 KJV)

We have the sure word of God that the entire earth was flooded and that all flesh was destroyed except that which was on the ark. If there appears to be evidence to the contrary then we are misreading the evidence. If there is no evidence, it is because God left none. One other thing, God doesn't have to answer to you or me. If, in fact, he decided to hide the evidence of the flood, what business is it of yours? Your job is to believe on him and upon his Son. If you don't believe the writings of Moses.....

199 posted on 06/02/2006 5:21:50 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: P-Marlowe; xzins; Alamo-Girl; Alex Murphy; blue-duncan; Buggman

Once again you put your foot in your mouth, everything I "cut and pasted" were things I wrote (Didn't we explain this before?). You continue to refuse to answer any of my points, which is not suprising. Instead you resort to snide comments and questioning people's honesty. Can you make any arguments that aren't emotional or laced with logical errors?


200 posted on 06/02/2006 5:35:21 AM PDT by truthfinder9
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