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To: frogjerk
VATICAN CITY -- The Vatican on Thursday excommunicated two bishops ordained by China's state-controlled church without the pope's consent

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Is this unusual?

2 posted on 06/09/2006 6:21:27 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
Is this unusual?

No, but it is news worthy.

3 posted on 06/09/2006 6:25:05 AM PDT by frogjerk (LIBERALISM: The perpetual insulting of common sense.)
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To: trisham
Is this unusual?

States are not allowed to create their own bishops any more than they're allowed to install their own popes. Not and remain Catholic, that is.

But it has happened before in history, which is why there are canon laws and penalties for these situations.

5 posted on 06/09/2006 6:32:13 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: trisham

It's unusual in that it doesn't happen very often ... but when it (illicit ordination) does happen, excommunication is the usual result.


11 posted on 06/09/2006 6:47:09 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: trisham

They were government appointed/approved bishops -- not the REAL Catholic Church is China. It is underground at this time.


17 posted on 06/09/2006 7:26:07 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: trisham
Here is some history on the Catholic Church in China:


Remote Catholic Community Maintains Faith Without Priest For 50 Years
Vatican condemns bishops' arrest
Seven Catholic priests arrested in Hebei
Church persecution and growth in China

Chinese Bishops Want Vatican Approval
CHINA'S MARIAN SHRINES
LIST OF CATHOLIC BISHOPS AND PRIESTS IN PRISON IN COMMUNIST CHINA
An Unapproved Ordination Looms in China AsiaNews Sees Trouble Ahead
China ignores Vatican over bishop (Chinese gov't ordains its own Catholic bishop)

Report: Chinese Church to Defy Vatican
China Installs (2nd) Bishop Without Vatican OK)
Second thoughts on Communist episcopal ordinations
Vatican Excommunicates 4 Chinese Bishops
Vatican Statement on Illicit Ordinations in China - "A Grave Violation of Religious Liberty"

Authorities renew persecution of Catholics in China
Cardinal Zen of Hong Kong, China, offers Pontifical Solemn High Mass in the Tridentine rite
Monsignor Zhan Silu installs himself as bishop and condemns himself to isolation
Vatican official: Church in China seeks no privileges, only freedom
Vatican Excommunicates Four Chinese Bishops

18 posted on 06/09/2006 7:31:30 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: trisham
The significance is astounding. The Chinese are trying to start their own episcopal tradition. They could flood the world with bishops that owe allegiance first and foremost to the Chinese govt.

China is trying to pre-emt vatican control of the Catholic church. Chinese officials see no difference between socialism and Christianity. For them - Catholic social teaching is pure socialism. China believes both are for the same common good and should be "OBEYED". The chinese are not able to understand the "Holy Spirit" and how the spirit is the basis for the Christian church - the body of Christ.

Chinese officials will selectively ignore Christ's own words that he didn't come to bring peace but the sword. The Chinese know that if they take the Church away from the west - they can control the world.

27 posted on 06/11/2006 3:30:09 PM PDT by x_plus_one (Murder, Suicide, Misogyny, Slavery are the Pillars of islam)
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