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To: BlackElk
VF: Get back to us AFTER the SSPX excommunicati have individually and collectively taken back each and every...

I'll "get back to you" when I have the inclination to do so, and not before. Then again, I might just send you the news when Pope Benedict announces that the Mass of Ages is authorized to be offered anytime, by any priest, without restrictions by Modernist American Bishops. He might also lift the so-called SSPX excoms, which I'm sure you and BC will be overjoyed to hear about given your obedience to all things from Rome and your daily prayers for peace and tranquility in matters pertaining to our faith.

56 posted on 10/16/2006 5:47:41 PM PDT by vox_freedom (Matthew 5:37 But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no)
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To: vox_freedom
I want justice and not "peace and tranquility." I want SSPX to be a poster child for the punishment it richly deserves. My American bishop has long allowed the priests of this diocese (Rockford) to say Tridentine Masses without further ado. Come in from the schism and smell the coffee. He also sits on the Signatura as one of seven judges. He has presided over Tridentine confirmations as well. Whatever the pope decides will have my loyalty. That is what it means to be Catholic and the SSPX were excommunicated for refusing their submission and loyalty and obedience in that fashion. Michael Davies was described by either John Paul the Great or Benedict XVI as having "suffered at the hands of the Church" because of the abuses of liturgy.

One pope at a time. If he makes prudential errors, he is still pope. I expect that the SSPX ooompah propaganda machine is wrong and that they will submit in humility or remain excommunicated. At a minimum, we won't see the raving anti-Semite Holocaust denier Williamson back because you can bet your house he will not willingly return. I would be fascinated to see how de Mallerais will have to back and fill to try to ignore his particularly poisonous schismatic expressions. Fellay MIGHT be able to engage in contortions necessary to the hypocritical high wire act, but I very much doubt it. If any purport to return, they should be ruthlessly kept under the microscope if not permanently cloistered.

If you ask me if I care whether you get back to me, the answer will be: not in the slightest.

80 posted on 10/16/2006 10:56:21 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: vox_freedom; BlackElk
We Christians have always had one Mass. We have had different Rites, Liturgies, etc, but, one Mass.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church ( I think the schism rejects it, right?) teaches this is the "Mass of all Ages"

The Mass of all ages

1345 As early as the second century we have the witness of St. Justin Martyr for the basic lines of the order of the Eucharistic celebration. They have stayed the same until our own day for all the great liturgical families. St. Justin wrote to the pagan emperor Antoninus Pius (138-161) around the year 155, explaining what Christians did: ...

On the day we call the day of the sun, all who dwell in the city or country gather in the same place.

The memoirs of the apostles and the writings of the prophets are read, as much as time permits.

When the reader has finished, he who presides over those gathered admonishes and challenges them to imitate these beautiful things.

Then we all rise together and offer prayers* for ourselves . . .and for all others, wherever they may be, so that we may be found righteous by our life and actions, and faithful to the commandments, so as to obtain eternal salvation.

When the prayers are concluded we exchange the kiss.

Then someone brings bread and a cup of water and wine mixed together to him who presides over the brethren. He takes them and offers praise and glory to the Father of the universe, through the name of the Son and of the Holy Spirit and for a considerable time he gives thanks (in Greek: eucharistian) that we have been judged worthy of these gifts.

When he has concluded the prayers and thanksgivings, all present give voice to an acclamation by saying: 'Amen.' When he who presides has given thanks and the people have responded, those whom we call deacons give to those present the "eucharisted" bread, wine and water and take them to those who are absent.

*Now, I know that is not what the english-protestant-turned-Catholic-high- school-teacher "teaches: is "the mass of all ages" but, those of us in the Body Of Christ listen to and learn from the Living Magisterium, which, not Davies, is the Pillar and Ground of Truth :)

which I'm sure you and BC will be overjoyed to hear about given your obedience to all things from Rome

* The Eucharist. Real Meat. That, and Obedience, the other real meat, is the diet of real Christian men. So, you can count on me and BE. We obey even when it does not meet our personal preferences, proclivities and prejudices. We are on a diet

109 posted on 10/17/2006 12:24:17 PM PDT by bornacatholic
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