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To: Claud; 1000 silverlings; Quix; Blogger
The Church is Christ's portion and, as such, Christ alone is ever the king of the Church. BUT, Peter being a man after Christ's own heart, is allowed to rule temporarily.

The distinction you're missing is that once Christ comes, there is no need for any other ruler than Christ.

In the OT, all were but shadows of the truth to come -- Jesus Christ, the only mediator between man and God.

With your elevation of Peter and the pope, you return to wretched legalism, if not outright idolatry.

155 posted on 01/31/2007 11:11:20 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
.With your elevation of Peter and the pope, you return to wretched legalism, if not outright idolatry.

Now this is correct. The Roman Republic began to consider their rulers as gods, and you see where that led. Just no good ever comes of it. Moreover, it's absurd to think that after Jesus' work He would allow such a thing.

157 posted on 01/31/2007 11:13:45 AM PST by 1000 silverlings
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Though we all are to rule and reign with Christ . . . evidently there's SOME delegation of some sort of authority!

LOL.


161 posted on 01/31/2007 11:19:34 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE & HIS ENEMIES BE 100% DONE-IN; & ISLAM & TRAITORS FLUSHED)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The distinction you're missing is that once Christ comes, there is no need for any other ruler than Christ.

No? There's no need? So we are all just floating out there individual believers. There's no authority, and every church just gets to decide what Scripture means. The Church has no power to excommunicate. The Church is not the pillar and ground of truth. The gates of hell can and do prevail against it everytime it is ripped apart by heresy.

Christ is Supreme King and Head of the Church. But to say categorically that no earthly leadership is *needed*...well, why do you have pastors at all then? Why councils? Why presbyters? Why appoint *anyone* over any Christian believer?

That, good Dr., is not religion but sheer madness. And moreover, I don't think your church works that way.

162 posted on 01/31/2007 11:21:50 AM PST by Claud
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The distinction you're missing is that once Christ comes, there is no need for any other ruler than Christ.

IOW, Christ came to institute every-man-for-himself anarchy?

Let's see, Paul didn't believe that, Peter didn't believe that, Ignatius didn't believe that, Ambrose didn't, Augustine didn't, Luther didn't, and Calvin didn't.

Are you sure you really do?

Hebrews 13:7, 17.

186 posted on 01/31/2007 11:47:49 AM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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