It's also Spirit-filled to blame the victim of your assaults or of those of your co-religionists for being hurt by your attempts to, uh, hurt him.
And finally the REAL sign of the Spirit is to claim some ineffable internal justification, neither perceptible empirically nor explicable by reason for expressions of hostility and contempt. The freedom provided by the Spirit in this case is inestimable, since you need not worry about accountability at all. "God told me to do it," excuses everything. No explanation is needed or indeed possible. And this also relieves one of the painful work of developing insight, repenting, and handing oneself over to God agqin and again.
This is not a personal comment on you, bremenboy. I don't know you. It is however a suggestion that a conversation, however grounded in texts from Scripture, may not be persuasive if it doesn't take into account the actual behavior of the participants in the dialogue.
If this sounds angry, it's because I'm angry. An opinion about so-called charismatics that I've resisted for years just was, regrettably, confirmed.
My experience has been that there are people who do a lot of “God-talk”. And I learned that the more that these kind of people talked, the more “I” and “me” there was and the less of God there actually was.
By contrast, some of the people who are not so prone to talk “God-talk” and “I and me” talk were the same ones who have given me good examples of being “children of the light”, whose demeanor and attitudes and speech and manners were the best examples I could see and understand.
I agree with you, MD, that these people who influenced my life so much didn’t use “painful” or “contemptuous” language. That’s why their influence was positive. That’s why I believe you to be right when you say: “conversation, however grounded in texts from Scripture, may not be persuasive if it doesn’t take into account the actual behavior of the participants in the dialogue.”
Many feel virtually identically about RC’s.
I don’t happen to be one of them.
Who is/are the "so-called charismatics" that just made you angry, Mad Dawg?
I am not sure what you are trying to say but the Spirit that Guides us teaches
Jud 1:21 keep yourselves in the love of God, eagerly awaiting the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to everlasting life. Jud 1:22 And pity some, making a distinction. Jud 1:23 But save others with fear, snatching them out of the fire, hating even the garment being stained from the flesh.
sometimes we need to be gentel
.2Ti 2:24 But a slave of the Lord ought not to quarrel, but to be gentle towards all, apt to teach, forbearing, 2Ti 2:25 in meekness teaching those who have opposed, if perhaps God may give them repentance for a full knowledge of the truth, other times not so gentle.
Matt 23: 13-29
You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
Mk. 9:50 “....Have salt in yourselves, and be at peace with each other.”
Jn. 13:14 “Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another’s feet.”
Jn. 13:34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.”
Jn. 15:12 “My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.”
Jn. 15:17 “This is my command: Love each other.”
Rom. 12:10 Be devoted to one another with mutual affection. Honor one another above yourselves.
Rom. 12:16 Live in harmony with one another.
Rom. 13:8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law.
Rom. 14:13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another....
Rom. 15:7 Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God.
Rom. 16:16 Greet one another with a holy kiss....
1 Cor. 1:10 I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.
1 Cor. 11:33 So then, my brothers and sisters, when you come together to eat, wait for each other.
1 Cor. 12:24-25 ....But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it, so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other.
1 Cor. 16:20 ....Greet one another with a holy kiss.
2 Cor. 13:12 Greet one another with a holy kiss.
Gal. 5:13 ....But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love. Gal. 5:26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.
Gal. 6:2 Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.<> Eph. 4:2 Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love.
Eph.4:32 Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.
Eph. 5:19 Speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs....
Eph. 5:21 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
Col. 3:9 Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices
Col. 3:13 Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another....
Col. 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God.
1 Thes. 4:9 Now about your mutual love we do not need to write to you, for you yourselves have been taught by God to love each other.
1 Thes. 4:18 Therefore encourage each other with these words.
51 Thes. :11 Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.
1 Thes. 5:13 ....Live in peace with each other.
1 Thes. 5:15 Make sure that nobody pays back wrong for wrong, but always try to be kind to each other and to everyone else.
Heb. 3:13 But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin’s deceitfulness.
Heb. 10:24-25 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds. Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another and all the more as you see the Day approaching.
Heb. 13:1 Keep on loving each other as brothers and sisters.
Jam. 4:11 Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another....
Jam. 5:9 Don’t grumble against each other, brothers and sisters, or you will be judged....
Jam. 5:16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed....
1 Jn. 3:11 This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another.
1 Jn. 3:23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.
1Jn. 4:7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God....
1 Jn. 4:11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
2 Jn. 1:5 ....I ask that we love one another.
1 Pet. 1:22 Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere mutual affection, love one another deeply, from the heart.
1 Pet. 3:8 Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love one another, be compassionate and humble.
1 Pet. 4:8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
1 Pet. 4:9 Offer hospitality to one another without grumbling.
1 Pet. 5:5 ....All of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, because, “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”
1 Pet. 5:14 Greet one another with a kiss of love....
From my own personal observation concerning charismatics and their attitude. I have found that they are for the most part ignorant of God's word but think that they know it and can do no wrong. Why is that? They have what they think is the Holy Spirit guiding them. The Holy Spirit can't be wrong so they can't be wrong. While it is true the Holy Spirit can't be wrong. what is also true is they don't have the Holy Spirit. But they think they do and their Pride and their Ignorance will be too their folly.
It is very hard to teach them the Truth because unless you Have the Holy Spirit you can't Know the truth. What they fail to understand is the Spirit Guided the apostles into all truth they wrote it down and we have it to read and learn.