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To: Smocker; jobim; AnAmericanMother; NYer; WriteOn; PetroniusMaximus; BlessedBeGod; Lauren BaRecall; ..
If the Sedevacantist position is that there is no Pope, which essentially and realistically places them outside of the Catholic Faith, why don’t they act honest with everyone and stop calling themselves Catholics and call themselves Protestants?

I suggest that you learn what the true Roman Catholic Church not only teaches but also commands must be done in the instance of the Vatican2 heretics usurping the throne of Peter and instituting a false apostate church of their own making.

"Cum ex Apostolatus Officio" Apostolic Constitution of Pope Paul IV, 15th February 1559 (Roman Bullarium Vol. IV. Sec. I, pp. 354-357)

1..."Remembering also that, where danger is greater, it must more fully and more diligently be counteracted, We have been concerned lest false prophets or others, even if they have only secular jurisdiction, should wretchedly ensnare the souls of the simple, and drag with them into perdition, destruction and damnation countless peoples committed to their care and rule, either in spiritual or in temporal matters; and We have been concerned also lest it may befall Us to see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by the prophet Daniel, in the holy place."

6. In addition, [by this Our Constitution, which is to remain valid in perpetuity We enact, determine, decree and define:-]

that if ever at any time it shall appear that any Bishop, even if he be acting as an Archbishop, Patriarch or Primate; or any Cardinal of the aforesaid Roman Church, or, as has already been mentioned, any legate, or even the Roman Pontiff, prior to his promotion or his elevation as Cardinal or Roman Pontiff, has deviated from the Catholic Faith or fallen into some heresy:

(i) the promotion or elevation, even if it shall have been uncontested and by the unanimous assent of all the Cardinals, shall be null, void and worthless;

(ii) it shall not be possible for it to acquire validity (nor for it to be said that it has thus acquired validity) through the acceptance of the office, of consecration, of subsequent authority, nor through possession of administration, nor through the putative enthronement of a Roman Pontiff, or Veneration, or obedience accorded to such by all, nor through the lapse of any period of time in the foregoing situation;

(iii) it shall not be held as partially legitimate in any way;

(iv) to any so promoted to be Bishops, or Archbishops, or Patriarchs, or Primates or elevated as Cardinals, or as Roman Pontiff, no authority shall have been granted, nor shall it be considered to have been so granted either in the spiritual or the temporal domain;

(v) each and all of their words, deeds, actions and enactments, howsoever made, and anything whatsoever to which these may give rise, shall be without force and shall grant no stability whatsoever nor any right to anyone;

(vi) those thus promoted or elevated shall be deprived automatically, and without need for any further declaration, of all dignity, position, honour, title, authority, office and power.

7. Finally, [by this Our Constitution, which is to remain valid in perpetuity, We] also [enact, determine, define and decree]:-

that any and all persons who would have been subject to those thus promoted or elevated if they had not previously deviated from the Faith, become heretics, incurred schism or provoked or committed any or all of these, be they members of anysoever of the following categories:

(i) the clergy, secular and religious;

(ii) the laity;

(iii) the Cardinals, even those who shall have taken part in the election of this very Pontiff previously deviating from the Faith or heretical or schismatical, or shall otherwise have consented and vouchsafed obedience to him and shall have venerated him;

(iv) Castellans, Prefects, Captains and Officials, even of Our Beloved City and of the entire Ecclesiastical State, even if they shall be obliged and beholden to those thus promoted or elevated by homage, oath or security;

shall be permitted at any time to withdraw with impunity from obedience and devotion to those thus promoted or elevated and to avoid them as warlocks, heathens, publicans, and heresiarchs (the same subject persons, nevertheless, remaining bound by the duty of fidelity and obedience to any future Bishops, Archbishops, Patriarchs, Primates, Cardinals and Roman Pontiff canonically entering).

To the greater confusion, moreover, of those thus promoted or elevated, if these shall have wished to prolong their government and authority, they shall be permitted to request the assistance of the secular arm against these same individuals thus promoted or elevated; nor shall those who withdraw on this account, in the aforementioned circumstances, from fidelity and obedience to those thus promoted and elevated, be subject, as are those who tear the tunic of the Lord, to the retribution of any censures or penalties.

15 posted on 07/09/2007 5:35:04 PM PDT by Youngstown (Venerable Anne Katherine Emmerich: "PRAY FOR THE CHURCH OF DARKNESS TO LEAVE ROME!")
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To: Youngstown
The gates of hell shall not prevail against Christ's Church. What do you not understand about that? What did Martin Luther, Henry the VIII, John Knox, Calvin or any other Protestant not understand about that. Bad pope, good pope, there is nothing in there that says to separate yourself from the Church because YOU believe the pope is wrong. You continue to worship God in the Church that He provided and work for the fidelity of the Church and the Popes. Plenty of saints who came before you did when they saw the Church and the pope heading in the wrong direction. SSPXers thought that they could leave to effect the change and yet when the change is happening they ask for more.

As I see it, it is their own pride in their own holiness and their own understanding, and their own intelligence. Just as in a marriage that seems not to be salvagable, when you stay and work at it can become a holy union but if you give up and leave because you think you are always right it will end. SSPXers may not have divorced themselves from the Catholic Church but they certainly got a formal separation.

22 posted on 07/09/2007 6:13:15 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Youngstown

I have absolutely no intention of being rude, but I’m so doggone happy to be a Catholic, and I just love Benedict XVI to pieces, that I absolutely can’t focus on what you’re saying.

Really!


27 posted on 07/09/2007 7:03:08 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Illegal aliens do not have Constitutional rights.)
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