Posted on 07/22/2007 7:40:38 PM PDT by xzins
Still don’t see the word “Christian” in that Orthodox word....one would think that they’re trying to highlight what is their style and background. I’m sure that not what “Lutheran” communicates to American churchgoers, what with them all being ignorant defectives and all. /sarc.
We have the complte true revealed WORD revealed by GOD, and yes that is of great importance, and it’s especially important to defend it from wolves trying to steal away the flock.
Shouldn’t your tag line simply be “Christianity, proclaiming the truth since AD 33”?
Love the Lord with all your heart and love one another.
How many atheists are following our conversations and laughing at our meanness to one another?
I know who my Savior is. His Good News is all I can teach - that He is the Son of God and one with God, born of a virgin who died without sin and arose on the 3rd day so that any of us who believe in Him will not perish, but have everlasting life.
No, because as of 1054 there’s been more and more groups proclaiming contrary to the revealed Truth.
I think Lutheran pretty well communicates that Martin Luther, apostate Catholic priest, and law school dropout, received scripture whole and complete sent through time by the apostles and therefore get’s top billiong on all signage.
ROTFLOL! (and gasping for air...:>)
Sometimes, you look at some of the positions taken on this forum and you just cannot help laughing out loud at what is so obvious that gets ignored.
Please tell me how your comment in any way makes a positive contribution to this conversation.
You’ve lost this argument, K, time to move on.
There aren’t too many folks who think that you go to MacDonald’s to eat the meat of a Scottish family named MacDonalds. They know that they sell beef hamburgers there.
It’s just a plumb silly argument on your part.
These conversations are breaking my heart. I see love answered by meanness, and the Good News is secondary to the sign out front. I would love to see more posts like Alamo Girl’s with the Gospel and more stories of ministry to fellow believers like xzins. Less personal acrimony, more peace of Christ.
Thankfully, I’m going to work now and won’t be able to follow any more.
You seem to be glossing over the fact that, at least in the case of the Reformed Protestant churches, they view themselves as the continuation of Christ's church on Earth in the face of the institutional apostasy of the Roman Catholic Church. They recognize the prior 1500 years of church history as extremely relevant and valuable (unlike groups such as the Restorationists who wanted to discard the previous centuries of Christian history and all its lessons learned). OTOH, the Roman Catholic view of the nature of the visible, institutional church is self-referential and self-reinforcing.
When it comes down to it, the claim to apostolic succession is no more valid or meaningful than that of the Pharisees and Sadducees of "We have Abraham as our father!"
no seriously what does LUTHERAN inspire for you? LUTHERAN on that sign is bigger than the entire sign in front of the Orthodox church and FIRST dwarfs even that. what is the purpose of those words?
Given St John’s contribution of multiple books to the Bible it’s no suprise to find his name popping up btw.
Thank you, HD, for your contribution. It’s clearly spoken out of love for Christ.
While I have no difficulty with debating doctrine, I do not think that doctrinal difference with other groups in the historic Christian tradition means that those groups are other than Christian.
I reject such an expression of hyper-denominationalism.
For me, the meat in this article are the 3 points demonstrating the weakness of the apostolic/human lineage position.
They are:
1. A human lineage argument is itself illegitimate
2. Other churches have the same claim
3. The human lineage presented is itself historically suspect
Nice guilt-by-association fallacy. Not even a remotely workable comparison.
Unfortunately for you, there is plenty of historical support for the fact that the Reformation was just that...a reform. It was returning the people of God to the historic, Biblical faith. If you take the time to read the works of the Reformers you will find that they draw heavily from the works of those in the church who came before them.
There is no historical evidence that the Bible was the complete encyclopedia of the faith, before archeaology was as advanced as it is today it was possible to run around saying that reformers practiced ‘real Christianity’ however the more we uncover the more we find Christians practicing identically to how the Orthodox, Oriental Churches, and in most places Catholics do today.
Excellent point. And what was Jesus' reponse?
(Matthew 3:9 KJV) And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
God has raised up stones in all corners of the earth. There is no "Apostolic Succession". There were 12 apostles. They are the foundation stones. The rest of us are simply building blocks raised up by Christ.
Thanks for the excellent analogy Fru. Sometimes God blesses you with flashes of brilliance.
Sometimes???
I've found that Fru is ALWAYS an absolutely formidable debater.
Yes he is a most formidable debater, but unlike you and me, Fru is not ALWAYS right. :-)
Well...you DO have a point.
(His pappy's no slouch either.:>)
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