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To: Alamo-Girl
I personally eschew all of the doctrines and traditions of men

Except yours of course. :)

I'll rephrase without reference to Christian Doctrines: Does your personal revelation hold that God is One and eternal, without beginning, without end, everlasting?

6,780 posted on 09/20/2007 11:09:31 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr; Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe; xzins; wmfights; 1000 silverlings; kosta50
me: I personally eschew all of the doctrines and traditions of men

you: Except yours of course. :)

I do not value my own musings - nor the musings of others - above the Father’s revelations in Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, Scripture and Creation.

A thing is true because God says it.

For the word of the LORD [is] right; and all his works [are done] in truth. He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD. By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses. Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him. For he spake, and it was [done]; he commanded, and it stood fast. – Psalms 33:4-9

You asked:

Does your personal revelation hold that God is One and eternal, without beginning, without end, everlasting?

Here is God’s revelation – not mine:

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. – Exodus 3:14

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. – Revelation 1:8

I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. – Revelation 1:18

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. – Deut 4:2-3

I and [my] Father are one. – John 10:30

Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. – John 17:20-23

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. – Romans 8:9

The terms you use say that God is “eternal, without beginning, without end, everlasting.”

And that is fine as far as it goes – but it is incomplete to use the concept of time which is part of the Creation to describe the Creator.

God’s Name is I AM. He is timeless. Time is part of His Creation. There was a beginning of time, but there will be no end of time.

God the Father had no beginning, He is not caused, there is no origin of Him. He was not begotten.

Jesus Christ was begotten. He is “in” the beginning. Indeed, Christ is the beginning – everything that was made, was made by Him and for Him. He is the First Cause and the Final Cause, Alpha and Omega:

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him]. – John 1:18

In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. – I John 4:9

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. – John 1:1-3

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence. For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.– Col 1:15-20

Jesus Christ is the “firstborn of every creature” - the only begotten Son of God.

It is a subtle difference which the terms you prefer to use do not capture because it speaks of the One. And truly, the Father and the Son are One – there is no bright line between Them (imagine what a mess it would be for us if there were!):

Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; - Hebrews 1:3

The Son was begotten. Likewise, the Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son (noting that the Orthodox are particularly sensitive to the distinction between the Spirit's origin, the Father, and His being sent, the Son.)

So both Names for God are Truth: I AM, Alpha and Omega.

Likewise, the Names Alpha and Omega should not be anthropomorphized to a timeline.

Everything flows from Genesis to Revelation. From the beginning, God is gathering His family for the new heaven and new earth. The purpose for this heaven and earth is the next heaven and earth.

To use an analogy, if the First Cause is the blueprint for the house – the Final Cause is the home in which we dwell.

But the Final Cause, the Omega, is not the end of time. Indeed, from our point of view it is the beginning of eternity, time without end.

Christ, Who is the Son of God the Father and is One in Him, was begotten, He lived and died and He lives without end:

I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. – Revelation 1:18

And because of Christ, we who are God's adopted children are alive with Christ in God - even now, while yet in the flesh.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. – John 1:12-13

For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. - Col 3:3

Praise God!!!

6,783 posted on 09/20/2007 1:02:08 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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