Posted on 10/26/2007 9:00:59 PM PDT by topcat54
"I once was lost but now am found, Was blind, but now I see." 8~)
Yes, but don’t the Jews today claim that the Holocaust was the worst thing that ever happened to them? It appears that is contrary to what the Lord says.
The altar was profaned and the abomination was “set up”. Read the OT prophets. It’s not a big mystery and neither is Daniel
And a good quote.
But, like the "seven dispensations" and "secret pre-trib rapture" no one in church history ever saw two completely distinct events from Matthew 24:15 to Luke 21:20 until Irving, Dabney and Scofield arrived on the scene. See Scofield’s Notes on Luke 21:20.
That's not an answer. It's an assertion, and a wrong one to boot.
And so is yours,
What word would you use to describe “unique period of time?”
Next question?
(I've been pinged on this thread, so I guess I need to plough through it.)
It’s very like talking with a Roman Catholic, isn’t it? Try to talk Bible, and all you get is unshakable dogma.
Gee, I get that same feeling, dealing with In-ter-net dispensationalists. Give them a mountain of Bible, get shouting and slogans in reply.
I don’t have a Scofield reference Bible either (nor would I ever buy one).
I've got 3, two garage sale specials and one very nice leather bound Oxford Press one that I pulled out of a dumpster. I can spare one if you want one for reference.
I read Dan’s columns regularly on Team Pyro. He’s one of those true anomalies, a Calvinistic (albeit Baptistic) dispensationalist. "Seven dispensations" and "five solas", or "Calvidispiebaptogelical" is the way he puts it.
I've read very good things from him. Discussing dispensationalism with people who disagree with him is not in that group.
You ignore Schofield and other dispensationalists saying elsewhere that salvation has always been by faith.
I thought you didn't read Scofield.
Dispensationalism existed as an understanding of the different eras in religious history. Justin Martyr clearly believed in a 1000 year reign of Christ on earth. He wrote in ca. 150 AD.
Simple premilenialism does not a dispensationalist make.
After the end of the Church age, it will go back to the way it was before the church age began, there will be saved and unsaved Jews and saved and unsaved Gentiles.
In this scheme, do unsaved Jews have any benefits worth mentioning, seeing as their destiny is the lake of fire? Do saved Jews (in this scheme) have any different benefits than saved gentiles? See where this takes you?
Yes, I learned the cut-off is John the Baptist. And you are right that there is a "replacement" theeology, but it doesn't come from us. We have a continuation theology confirmed in the OT and the NT, one olive tree, two branches.
And, again, Hebrews 11:39-40 "And all these, though commended through their faith, did not receive what was promised, since God had provided something better for us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect. " Continuity with distinction.
“I hope I didn’t say anything to personally offend you either.”
No. It’s really an inside debate anyway.
I was making the point that (a) there is not an absence of evidence (the links) - and (b) the "absence of evidence is evidence of absence" argument doesn't apply since the Church went through a phase of book burning and (c) that among those disfavored ancient manuscripts and Jewish mysticism was a recurring belief in a literal translation of one day equals a thousand years, i.e. in Christ's millennial reign on earth.
IOW, "absence of evidence is evidence of absence" is not a good argument in this case even though it is a great argument on the science threads.
Yeah right??? Only if you live in Hollywood. What about the word "age" found throughout the NT as in Hebrews 11:3:
"The ages were framed by the word of God"
The "ages" fits the definition of "dispensations" to the dismay of those who scoff at dispensationalists.
Next --
"Also, I have already pointed out to you that when all of Schofield's writings are put together, according to Ryrie, Schofield clearly believed that salvation has always been by grace through faith. Paul clearly says, "Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness."
I haven't read Schofield. I've read Ryrie about Schofield, and that only very recently on the advice of a friend.
But, Ryrie is a scholar far beyond anyone on these FR pages.
So, the word you've chosen is "epoch." Uncle Chip likes the word "age."
Does the bible show anything AT ALL different in the relationship between God and mankind in the "Eden Epoch" than now is the case?
Does the bible show anything AT ALL different in God's administering that "Eden Epoch" than now is the case?
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