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Celebrating a Calvinist Christmas with a Clear Conscience
Theologia ^ | 1997 | Mark Horne

Posted on 12/22/2007 2:56:20 AM PST by Gamecock

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To: Gamecock; drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; Jean Chauvin; jboot; AZhardliner; ...
Merry Christmas to all!

Thank you for all your input in the varied discussions.

God Bless you all.

21 posted on 12/22/2007 8:27:26 AM PST by wmfights (LUKE 9:49-50 , MARK 9:38-41)
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To: Theoden; GoLightly; Religion Moderator

The term papist is indeed used.

But if you read the the context of the article the author is refuting the stance of a Reformed father.

He is not using the tern in a current context, but in the context of a historical document.


22 posted on 12/22/2007 8:30:42 AM PST by Gamecock (Aaron had what every megachurch pastor craves: a huge crowd that gave freely and lively worship.)
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To: Gamecock; Religion Moderator

Oh no, Cathoic threads that have had their caucus designations removed were done for terms less than that.


23 posted on 12/22/2007 8:46:45 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Theoden
This alone should be enough:

...the idolatry of the papists...

24 posted on 12/22/2007 8:51:25 AM PST by Petronski (Reject the liberal superfecta: huckabee, romney, giuliani, mccain)
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To: Religion Moderator

I think we need to have a ruling whether or not using a historic creed or confession that includes terms that are offensive violate the Caucus tag. This means that heavy editing must be performed on almost any of the Reformers works.

I think a bit of indulgence must be applied, as long as the posters to a thread do not start echoing the offense. The historic roots of the Reformation are due to the break from the perceived apostasy of the RCC, and their rhetoric runs throughout all the foundational works.

Otherwise there will be important portions of these works which must be edited out. Imagine the Declaration of Independence or the Federalist Papers, or even Common Sense edited to take out the perceived insults to the British Crown. Are they there? Of course. Are they necessary to see the context? Again, of course.

IF the Reformed cannot print their doctrinal works in full, you will in sense be editing out many of the distinctives and reasons of this faith from our caucuses.

Otto


25 posted on 12/22/2007 9:12:21 AM PST by Ottofire (For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God)
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To: Mad Dawg; All

And thank you Mad Dawg for your standing up for the Caucus label.

And a MERRY CHRISTmas to all! Peace on Earth, God’s good will t’ward man!

Otto


26 posted on 12/22/2007 9:15:24 AM PST by Ottofire (For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God)
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To: Gamecock; Religion Moderator
But if you read the the context of the article the author is refuting the stance of a Reformed father.

Good point. It stuck out like a sore thumb to me, even in context, just as some of the things Luther said in the introduction of the Small Catechism did. I've come to expect no possibility of any threads being allowed a "Lutheran Caucus" designation, because of things like that.

He is not using the tern in a current context, but in the context of a historical document.

I can't say that I've ever seen any Jewish challenge to Catholic Caucus designations, nor do I see any on this thread.

27 posted on 12/22/2007 9:18:18 AM PST by GoLightly
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To: Gamecock
Christmas comes from the Roman Catholic Church.

That is a true statement as Christmas does not come the Holy Word of Elohim.
b'SHEM Yah'shua
28 posted on 12/22/2007 9:49:50 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Gamecock; Religion Moderator

“Papist” is a term that Catholics sometimes use to refer to themselves. An example can be found in Post 11 of this thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1736761/posts

Or the tagline to post 3 of this thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1823683/posts

See also the American Papist website http://www.americanpapist.com/blog.html where it is defined as ‘Papist: n. A Catholic who is a strong advocate of the papacy.’


29 posted on 12/22/2007 10:09:45 AM PST by PAR35
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To: XeniaSt
That is a true statement as Christmas does not come the Holy Word of Elohim.

That is a true statement as Christmas does not come FROM the Holy Word of Elohim.

30 posted on 12/22/2007 10:15:49 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: XeniaSt
That is a true statement as Christmas does not come FROM the Holy Word of Elohim.

Is celebrating his birth bad?

I think it's great to celebrate the arrival of our Saviour. We just need to be mindful the reason we celebrate is because we are so lost without him and what he did for us at Resurrection Sunday.

31 posted on 12/22/2007 10:21:44 AM PST by wmfights (LUKE 9:49-50 , MARK 9:38-41)
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To: wmfights
Is celebrating his birth bad?

No.

But if you need to read the Holy Word of Elohim.

Do not follow the Pagan rituals of the Roman church.

Luke 1 will lead you to His Birthday
as it was on Sukkot(Feast of Tabernacles).

When He tabernacled among us.

Resurrection Sunday was really the Feast of First Fruits.

Again if you believe the Holy Word of Elohim.

b'SHEM Yah'shua
32 posted on 12/22/2007 10:31:38 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: GoLightly
I don't think any of the reformers rejected all tradition. Their position was closer to rejection of tradition that was in contradiction of Scripture.

Well, some of it, anyway.

33 posted on 12/22/2007 11:12:23 AM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: Gamecock

Merry Christmas, everyone.


34 posted on 12/22/2007 11:16:26 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Calm_Cool_and_Elected

“LOL, B-D! Merry Christmas!”

Thank you and Merry Christmas to you and your family. I’m looking forward to attending the 50th anniversary of my graduating class at Mars Hill College in Ashville next year.


35 posted on 12/22/2007 11:29:43 AM PST by blue-duncan
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To: GoLightly; unspun

If you are looking for a home then join my tradition; it traditionally rejects all traditions, without question.


36 posted on 12/22/2007 11:34:34 AM PST by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan; GoLightly
If you are looking for a home then join my tradition; it traditionally rejects all traditions, without question.

It's not traditions stu--I mean O Theophilus. ;-)

It's the Way, the Truth, and the Life -- and it's been revealed in some detail and written down, by the Holy Spirit's inspiration.

37 posted on 12/22/2007 11:38:11 AM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: XeniaSt
Do not follow the Pagan rituals...

I agree.

In reading the Didache one thing that struck me was the flexibility in worship.

38 posted on 12/22/2007 11:39:28 AM PST by wmfights (LUKE 9:49-50 , MARK 9:38-41)
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To: blue-duncan
50 yrs???? Wow! Congratulations!

CC&E (a little east of Asheville)

39 posted on 12/22/2007 12:45:25 PM PST by Calm_Cool_and_Elected (So many books, so little time!)
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To: jude24
Caucus. Be polite, or leave.

Sorry about that. But the article did seem to focus pretty heavily on tradition as a justification. Although my comments were a little sarcastic, I think they captured the spirit of the article. But you're right, it's a caucus thread and I'll respect it.

40 posted on 12/22/2007 1:34:19 PM PST by DouglasKC
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