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To: HarleyD; MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan
Augustine's Treatise on Predestination of the Saints was one of the very last treatises written by Augustine. He came to this understanding late in his life and recalled many of his works which he recognized were in error. Lest our Catholic friends say that this was a heretical doctrine, Augustine specifically references Cyprian, the great Church leader, as leading him to this truth.

Amen! Thanks for clarifying that for me. I'm sure glad he lived long enough to be sanctified to that level. :) Praise God.

[Sproul] mentioned how God wishes to illustrate to the world 1) His mercy and 2) His justice. With those who He has elected He shows forth His mercy. With those who He has not elected He shows His justice. People believe that God must be merciful to be just but they are mutually exclusive. I bring this up because as I was going through Augustine's Treatise, I happened to noticed the same argument. ...

Great find, Harley. That's a great way to look at it. I guess Augustine was ahead of many modern day Apostolics (no reference to Mark) who tell us that God is mono-faceted, i.e. that God is only the human understanding of love and since he is nothing else He never kills in the OT, etc.

996 posted on 02/01/2008 6:42:30 PM PST by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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***Lest our Catholic friends say that this was a heretical doctrine, Augustine specifically references Cyprian, the great Church leader, as leading him to this truth.
Amen! Thanks for clarifying that for me. I’m sure glad he lived long enough to be sanctified to that level. :) Praise God.***

You want to be held to everything that Cyprian said? Or Augustine for that matter? Try my tagline and see what you may.

***I guess Augustine was ahead of many modern day Apostolics (no reference to Mark) who tell us that God is mono-faceted, i.e. that God is only the human understanding of love and since he is nothing else He never kills in the OT, etc.***

The OT Jehovah did certain violence to the Earth. It is striking the comparison to Jesus. Look at the Two Commandments of Jesus to the 10 Commandments and Deuteronomy. Look at the Sermon on the Mount (and the Plain). Jesus comes to us with love.

God’s doctrines v. 1.0 versus 2.0.

We got a better theology from Him than the Jews did. And they are our elder brethren whom we MUST respect and revere. They are God’s chosen people.


1,005 posted on 02/01/2008 7:43:25 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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