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To: Zakeet

One note: Joe Smith didn’t use the Urim and Thummim for the ‘translating’ of the supposed plates, he used his divination peepstone. The Mormon church continues to promote that lie regarding the Urim and Thummim because it suits thier deceits. When pushed, they will admit the latter.


258 posted on 02/14/2008 10:59:36 AM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
One note: Joe Smith didn’t use the Urim and Thummim for the ‘translating’ of the supposed plates, he used his divination peepstone.

You mean like this?

Your observation certainly agrees with BoM "Witnesses" Harris and Cowdry.

But Joseph said he used Urim and Thummim.

And according to Smith's mother, Lucy Mack Smith:

That of which I spoke, which Joseph termed a key, was indeed, nothing more nor less than the Urim and Thummim, and it was by this that the angel showed him many things which he saw in vision; by which he could ascertain, at any time, the approach of danger, either to himself or the Record, and on account of which he always kept the Urim and Thummim about his person. (Biographical Sketches of Joseph Smith the Prophet and his Progenitors for Many Generations, page 106)

And Mother Smith said she got a good look at Urim and Thummim:

I knew not what he meant, but took the article of which he spoke into my hands, and, upon examination, found that it consisted of two smooth three-cornered diamonds set in glass, and the glasses were set in silver bows, which were connected with each other in much the same way as old fashioned spectacles. He took them again and left me, but said nothing respecting the Record. (Biographical Sketches, page 101)

Of course, still others believe Joseph plagiarized the Book of Mormon from OTHER SOURCES.

So, what did Joseph use? A peep stone, peep spectacles, or plagiary? I urge each reader of this posting to examine the evidence and make up his/her own mind.

260 posted on 02/14/2008 11:22:34 AM PST by Zakeet (Be thankful we don't get all the government we pay for)
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