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Apocalyptic Fooferah
NCR ^ | February 17, 2008 | Mark Shea

Posted on 02/14/2008 1:42:48 PM PST by NYer

Recently, I mentioned some of the kooky apocalyptic theories that swirl around evangelicalism and involve various interpretations of Ezekiel, Daniel, Revelation and some of Jesus’ more obscure sayings, all coupled with various predictions about Russia, Israel, the European Union, red heifers, Islam and the rebuilding of the Temple.

It’s all very complicated.

Now, as I mentioned, Catholics don’t have to buy any of this and, in my opinion, do well not to bother with it. What I did not have time to mention is that some Catholics do nonetheless exhibit the same tendency to waste a lot of time on similar speculations.

In Catholic circles, apocalyptic scenarios tend to center around various apparitions of the Blessed Virgin Mary or alleged prophecies by various saints which, with the right decoder ring, will unfold the mysteries of the “Three Days of Darkness,” the coming Antichrist, the “Great Monarch” and so forth.

As I say, everybody needs a hobby and I have no particular problem with all this speculation — until it starts to interfere with the actual teaching and functioning of the Church.

This can tend to happen, especially in times of scandal such as ours. At such times, when faith in the Church’s charism of infallibility and indefectibility starts to ebb, it does not take long for some people to effectively decide to put far more stock in private revelation, whether approved or unapproved, than in the actual teaching of the magisterium.

This can have various manifestations.

One of them was seen a couple of years ago with the release of the Third Secret of Fatima. Enthusiasts and speculators had worked out some fairly elaborate theories about the Third Secret. Many of the most enthusiastic were shocked and appalled when, like all the rest of authentic private revelation, the gist of the Third Secret was to reaffirm that God was still with the Church in her trials and that we should stick with the office of Peter the Rock.

It did not take long before the dark mutterings of conspiracy, the handwriting analyses of Sister Lucia, the weird speculations about an elaborate Vatican conspiracy to cover up the truth and all the rest were swirling around.

Similarly, there were boatloads of “experts” who made a cottage industry of saying that the Pope had not “really” consecrated Russia to Mary, despite the fact that he himself said he had and Sister Lucia concurred. And the supreme irony was that all this was used as a way to attack John Paul’s authority as Pope — despite the fact that no Pope has ever been under any obligation whatsoever to obey a private revelation.

As they say, no good deed goes unpunished.

This odd tendency among some Catholics to forgo actually learning the faith in favor of learning a sort of compound of rumor and stray factoids is likewise seen in Catholics who have raised Paul VI’s remark that the “smoke of Satan” has entered the Church to an infallible dogmatic utterance.

It is, for some, the only teaching of the entire pontificate of Paul VI. Nothing else he said or did matters. Indeed, virtually everything else he said and did — including the promulgation of the Paul VI Missal and, above all, the teaching of the Second Vatican Council, is regarded as either negligible or a fulfillment of his own “prophecy.”

This curious tendency to prefer prophecy over the magisterium is common among Catholics who regard the magisterial teaching of the Church since the council as the “enemy of the true faith.”

The tendency to run off after dark oracles of their favorite Marian apparition (often not approved by the Church) is a common feature of this sort of enthusiasm. As a convert to the Church from evangelicalism, it led to one of my first big surprises.

I had spent years terrified that Catholics believed Mary is another god. To my surprise, I discovered that the reality is some Catholics think her another pope.

My own response to all this apocalyptic fooferah from both Protestants and Catholics is “Same pathologies, different dress.”

Me: I’m content with “He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead.” But some people just can’t resist the itch to feel they are part of the Inner Ring Who Know the Hidden History of Our Time. And in defense of all this “Lo, here! Lo, there!” hugger mugger, they will say, “But Jesus said to read the signs of the times!”

Yes, he did. That’s what the magisterium he founded is there to help us do.

I suggest using it to learn what “The gates of hell shall not prevail” means. I also suggest learning what “He who listens to you listens to me,” “indefectibility”, and “infallibility” mean.

Also, learning what “private revelation” means would be good, too.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: apocalypse; prophecy
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1 posted on 02/14/2008 1:42:50 PM PST by NYer
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The red heifer is my favorite ;-)


2 posted on 02/14/2008 1:43:27 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer
This odd tendency among some Catholics to forgo actually learning the faith in favor of learning a sort of compound of rumor and stray factoids

The above line is where he wanders off a bit. Does he honestly believe that many, if not most, of the people he talks about, haven't learned the faith?

3 posted on 02/14/2008 1:48:41 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: NYer

You’re right.

People worry themselves sick over the Mark of the Beast, the Rapture, or whatever, yet never stop to consider the fact that the real End Of The World — death — comes for someone every day. These folks should spend less time worrying about being Left Behind and more worrying about what would happen in they were to die today. After all, not one of us is guaranteed even a single moment more in this world; each us us could find ourselves in our own personal “end times” scenario at any second.

God will win in the end. We Christians know this. Therefore, let’s quit wasting time on the End Of The World worries and spend that time considering our own personal Last Days.


4 posted on 02/14/2008 2:04:48 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: NYer
The red heifer is my favorite

???? Why bring Kucinich's better half into this?

5 posted on 02/14/2008 2:12:11 PM PST by mnehring (Make your plans to fit the circumstances. - General George S. Patton, Jr)
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To: NYer
The red heifer is my favorite ;-)

I saw a show about that on the History Channel.

6 posted on 02/14/2008 2:31:15 PM PST by Tax-chick ("Good guy wins, bad guy gets dead. Nothing to cry over here." ~ trimom)
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To: NYer
The red heifer is my favorite ;-)

The choq of the "red heifer" (parah 'adummah in Hebrew) is given in the nineteenth chapter of the Book of Numbers (which will be read in synagogues throughout the world on the morning of the upcoming 3/29). It is the most mysterious mitzvah in the entire Torah. In fact, though Solomon's wisdom enabled him to adduce the reasons for all the other mitzvot, this one utterly escaped him. Only Moses attained understanding out of pure revelation from G-d.

There are two types of mitzvot: mishpatim ("judgments"), which can be explained rationally, and chuqqot ("statutes") which rest on no human understanding but can be accepted only as the word of G-d. The "red heifer" is the most famous of these latter.

In reality, however, at some point beyond mere human understanding, the two blend into one. For even those commandments which human reason cannot justify is nevertheless purposeful and justified in the Mind of G-d, and the most rational of commandments (such as "thou shalt not kill") in fact rest ultimately on the authority of our A-mighty Creator and not on its apparent rationality to our frail minds.

G-d's commandments bind us because they are from Him, whether or not we understand the understanding.

7 posted on 02/14/2008 3:31:32 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator ("Veshakhanti betokh Benei Yisra'el; vehayiti lahem l'Eloqim.")
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To: NYer

I suggest using it to learn what “The gates of hell shall not prevail” means. I also suggest learning what “He who listens to you listens to me,” “indefectibility”, and “infallibility” mean.

You don’t know how many times I have said this, almost verbatim, to my SSPX friend, often several times in one day.


8 posted on 02/14/2008 3:52:26 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: NYer
Catholics don’t have to buy any of this and, in my opinion, do well not to bother with it.

"Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near." Revelation 1:3.

9 posted on 02/14/2008 4:05:00 PM PST by e.Shubee
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To: NYer
Great article, N. Sort of reminds me of those visions of “Our Lady of the Damp Stain on the Bridge Abutment: or the "Panagia of the Pizza Pan".
10 posted on 02/14/2008 5:02:17 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: NYer

Sling mud, and do not give one word of refutation to the Protestant position...great tactic. This article assumes the Roman Catholic interpretation is the correct one, and therefore, by definition all others are wrong...without one word of definition or defense. Interesting.


11 posted on 02/14/2008 5:42:08 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: LiteKeeper

Did you maybe miss out on the fact that the article really wasn’t even about Protestants or Protestantism, or are you just spoiling for a fight?


12 posted on 02/14/2008 6:05:05 PM PST by Campion
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To: NYer

Mark 13:32

“about that day or that hour no one except the Father knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son,”


13 posted on 02/14/2008 6:41:34 PM PST by franky1
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To: Campion
Statements such as fooferah from both Protestants and Catholics is “Same pathologies, different dress.”, and referring to the evangelical position as "kooky" are not exactly terms of mature debate...they are mud slinging. We Protestants are wrong, according to the author. but he never produces a single argument in support of his position.
14 posted on 02/14/2008 6:47:24 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: LiteKeeper
and referring to the evangelical position as "kooky" are not exactly terms of mature debate..

It's not "the" (one and only acceptable) evangelical position, it's "an" evangelical position, out of several.

15 posted on 02/14/2008 7:17:15 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("your dispensational hermeneutic has driven you mad!")
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To: Lee N. Field
It's not "the" (one and only acceptable) evangelical position, it's "an" evangelical position, out of several.

What would those "several" positions be?

16 posted on 02/14/2008 7:19:46 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: LiteKeeper
Broadly, historic premillenialism (the sane ones), postmillenialism, amillenialism and dispensational premil-ism (the aforementioned fooforah).

Basic stuff, as I'm sure you're aware.

My own response to all this apocalyptic fooferah from both Protestants and Catholics is “Same pathologies, different dress.” --original posting

Which I find interesting.

17 posted on 02/14/2008 7:30:46 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("your dispensational hermeneutic has driven you mad!")
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To: LiteKeeper
We Protestants are wrong, according to the author. but he never produces a single argument in support of his position.

That's because his article is really about Catholics who chase after visions and "prophecies," and is not directed to Protestants at all.

Sometimes Catholics write things directed at other Catholics that take it for granted that Protestants are wrong.

Sometimes Protestants write things directed at other Protestants that take it for granted that Catholics are wrong, too. Often, in fact.

18 posted on 02/14/2008 7:57:52 PM PST by Campion
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To: Zionist Conspirator
The truth behind the Scrolls!


19 posted on 02/14/2008 10:35:12 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Campion
I hear that! Catholic writer writing for Catholics and Protestants demand to be included. I don't get it.

That said, I really like the way Mark Shea writes.

I have never heard of the red heifer thing however. ??

20 posted on 02/15/2008 3:28:13 AM PST by defconw (Pray for Snow!)
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